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Dealing with low self-esteem

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Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#21 ·
Just go for it, just lay it all out there like... actually, let me not even start with the comparisons right now,
but look, it's fine, really, it’s just exhausting, you know? You basically have to train yourself to actually think positive thoughts, (and for someone like you, it’ll probably take at least two weeks before it actually sticks in your brain, or whatever)
I mean, everyone wants to tell themselves whatever they want to hear,
some people claiming they’re absolutely flawless and perfect,
while others try to convince themselves they aren't quite as amazing as they pretend to be, (ugh, I had one friend who was such a walking trauma dump, seriously)
brighteagle39 brighteagle39 Active Member
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#22 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:Self-respect? Yeah, I don't really have that... I've got confidence, sure, but that's a different beast entirely,
though I'm not even sure if you can actually separate the two, but it just feels that way...
but look, you basically just have to force it every single day—even if you don't actually believe it at first—you gotta tell yourself you're awesome, that you're hot, smart, incredible, and just rattle off a bunch of other good traits until you eventually start believing your own hype and actually start acting like it...
and that's pretty much how it works.
I mean, I'm not about to go digging through your entire life story right now, trying to figure out when things went south or what kind of trauma you're dealing with or what some jerk said to you back in high school,
but I honestly think this method works...
Man, maybe I should start doing this myself (though I'll probably just end up being an idiot, won't be an idiot, won't be an idiot... mmmm)

Self-respect and self-confidence are two things that are deeply intertwined. I'm struggling to understand how one could be missing while the other remains intact. Usually, they move in tandem; once you build a healthy sense of self-respect, you naturally become a confident person. Conversely, where self-respect is lacking, confidence tends to vanish as well, and if someone does possess confidence without that underlying respect, it usually isn't built on very solid ground.
Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
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#23 ·
brighteagle39 said:Self-respect and self-confidence are two things that are deeply intertwined. I'm struggling to understand how one could be missing while the other remains intact. Usually, they move in tandem; once you build a healthy sense of self-respect, you naturally become a confident person. Conversely, where self-respect is lacking, confidence tends to vanish as well, and if someone does possess confidence without that underlying respect, it usually isn't built on very solid ground.

I couldn't disagree more.

It looks like I am one of the few here—perhaps the most isolated by time and experience—who was a victim
of an abusive father (everything except sexual abuse).
All the advice and explanations offered by those who share similar views are utterly worthless unless they have lived through it themselves.
There is no magic recipe, no "smart" advice; every victim is unique in their own way, just as every instance of abuse carries its own specific nuances.
And every single survivor must find their own personal path out of the abyss of low self-esteem and lack of confidence!

I’m going to share a piece of my own story here; perhaps it might offer some direction or at least provoke some thought for other victims.
My father hated me from the moment I was born simply because I wasn't a son.
He was a primitive, uneducated brute who solved everything with profanity and physical violence.
My mother was weak—completely incapable of standing up to him.
From the age of six, I began to feel this intense rage, defiance, and hatred toward my father,
and there was absolutely no one there to guide me or explain things properly.
To me, my parent became a forbidden subject.
I used to read books in secret so he wouldn't catch me, often borrowing them from relatives.
By the time I was ten, I realized my only way out as a girl was education and escape!
Of course, if it weren't for the law, he wouldn't have even sent me to elementary school.
He would burden me with heavy manual labor just so I wouldn't have time to study—because in his eyes, only "trash" goes to school. To him, women were only meant for domestic chores and sex. He believed women and horses both needed to be beaten to be useful, and so on. Despite all that, I was an excellent student.
My mother's only support was: "He's your father, you just have to endure it!"
The support from my educated relatives? "Just get a job somewhere. Why bother with school?"
I started hating them all, because books taught me that life doesn't have to be this way.
That hatred became my engine;
it gave me confidence, but certainly not self-respect.
I saw myself as ugly, worthless, finding a thousand different flaws in my reflection...
but that rage and defiance kept pushing me forward...
At 15, I fled the hellscape that was my childhood home.
I went out on my own, sought social services to help with my schooling, and worked every job I could find...
I managed to finish my education, but it wasn't until my thirties that I truly learned how to value myself.
I finally let go of the hatred.
But the scars remain; there is no way to erase them. You can only learn to dull the edge.
I never forgive betrayal.
That cost me my marriage.
But I have never—never—raised a hand against my children or belittled them.
On the contrary, whenever I saw them struggling, I made sure to build up their confidence and
their self-esteem. I teach them that within every mistake, there is a path to doing better and being better.
Yet, even now, though both of my parents are dead,
there are still shadows from my childhood that strike like venomous snakes, catching me off guard. I can still hear that abused child crying, waiting for someone to come to her aid!

And I will not back down from my opinion: all child abusers should lose their heads!
brighteagle39 brighteagle39 Active Member
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#24 ·
Chris Peterson53 said:I couldn't disagree more.

It looks like I am one of the few here—perhaps the most isolated by time and experience—who was a victim
of an abusive father (everything except sexual abuse).
All the advice and explanations offered by those who share similar views are utterly worthless unless they have lived through it themselves.
There is no magic recipe, no "smart" advice; every victim is unique in their own way, just as every instance of abuse carries its own specific nuances.
And every single survivor must find their own personal path out of the abyss of low self-esteem and lack of confidence!

I’m going to share a piece of my own story here; perhaps it might offer some direction or at least provoke some thought for other victims.
My father hated me from the moment I was born simply because I wasn't a son.
He was a primitive, uneducated brute who solved everything with profanity and physical violence.
My mother was weak—completely incapable of standing up to him.
From the age of six, I began to feel this intense rage, defiance, and hatred toward my father,
and there was absolutely no one there to guide me or explain things properly.
To me, my parent became a forbidden subject.
I used to read books in secret so he wouldn't catch me, often borrowing them from relatives.
By the time I was ten, I realized my only way out as a girl was education and escape!
Of course, if it weren't for the law, he wouldn't have even sent me to elementary school.
He would burden me with heavy manual labor just so I wouldn't have time to study—because in his eyes, only "trash" goes to school. To him, women were only meant for domestic chores and sex. He believed women and horses both needed to be beaten to be useful, and so on. Despite all that, I was an excellent student.
My mother's only support was: "He's your father, you just have to endure it!"
The support from my educated relatives? "Just get a job somewhere. Why bother with school?"
I started hating them all, because books taught me that life doesn't have to be this way.
That hatred became my engine;
it gave me confidence, but certainly not self-respect.
I saw myself as ugly, worthless, finding a thousand different flaws in my reflection...
but that rage and defiance kept pushing me forward...
At 15, I fled the hellscape that was my childhood home.
I went out on my own, sought social services to help with my schooling, and worked every job I could find...
I managed to finish my education, but it wasn't until my thirties that I truly learned how to value myself.
I finally let go of the hatred.
But the scars remain; there is no way to erase them. You can only learn to dull the edge.
I never forgive betrayal.
That cost me my marriage.
But I have never—never—raised a hand against my children or belittled them.
On the contrary, whenever I saw them struggling, I made sure to build up their confidence and
their self-esteem. I teach them that within every mistake, there is a path to doing better and being better.
Yet, even now, though both of my parents are dead,
there are still shadows from my childhood that strike like venomous snakes, catching me off guard. I can still hear that abused child crying, waiting for someone to come to her aid!

And I will not back down from my opinion: all child abusers should lose their heads!

Now, look, I wasn't a victim of abuse myself—I was actually quite fortunate to have a very happy childhood—but that doesn't mean I can't truly grasp what you went through or empathize with similar experiences.
Perhaps my perspective carries little weight here, but I’ve always felt that genuine, healthy self-confidence is fundamentally rooted in self-respect. In most cases, if you don't truly value who you are, any outward confidence will likely feel like nothing more than a hollow performance.
I have no desire to offer any recipes for success or unsolicited advice here. I simply wanted to say how deeply sorry I am that you ever had to endure a situation like yours. There are certain people in this world who truly do not deserve the privilege of being parents. I find myself completely in agreement with you—those who abuse children should be dealt with swiftly and decisively by the justice system.
Chris Peterson53 Chris Peterson53 Active Member
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#25 ·
quietranger14...
It’s a lifelong process—maybe even until the day we die—trying to peel back the layers. Sometimes, out of pure fear, I think we’ve finally unmasked the exact same toxic patterns in ourselves that we see in our abusers.
I actually caught myself in the middle of
a completely unchecked, white-hot rage,
where I ended up pummeling my boyfriend because he grabbed my breasts and squeezed them hard enough to cause real pain...
I literally snapped an umbrella over him.
Honestly, if the police hadn't shown up right then, I don't know what would have happened...
I was fully capable of killing him...
Thankfully, I didn't face any legal repercussions—there were witnesses who saw him verbally and physically attacking me first...

I was truly capable of killing him
That realization terrified me—it forced me into some serious self-analysis...
I need to learn how to keep that kind of fury far away from my soul...
To never let myself slip into that state of mind again...
Whether it's "justified" anger or the kind of senseless rage I saw in my father...

Self-observation, learning, analyzing, and recognizing the signs before they escalate—that is the entire foundation.
And I think you're actually quite good at spotting those patterns....
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#26 ·
I actually agree—you can definitely have confidence without having any self-respect. I was thinking about it last night; I’m pretty sure I can pull off just about anything if I put in the work, but when I bomb a midterm or some other exam, I just tell myself I didn't try hard enough or the professor was a total jerk. 😬
On the flip side, I don't value anything I achieve—nothing I do feels like it actually matters, so maybe I get a quick hit of adrenaline and then it’s just back to baseline. As for my boyfriend, we've been together two years, and honestly, he must be blind or just completely delusional to stick around this long. I think I’d lose my mind if he were anything like me... but that’s just my take. He thinks I'm not even that bad. I’m a total hypocrite when it comes to myself versus everyone else—if I met someone who had survived what I went through, I’d respect them to high heaven. Just like I’d respect you, Chris Peterson53. But personally? I feel like I haven't done anything special, even though I really wish I could find a way to value it.

I also agree that everyone who deals with abuse is their own unique case. One thing might help one person, something else helps another; some people move on, while others—like a woman I met at the hospital—never stop dwelling on it after a breakdown.

And I’m with Chris Peterson53 on this: you can't truly understand it unless you've lived it. You might accept it, sure, but you'll never fully grasp it.

The truth is, I still don't get the exact moment I broke. I know it sounds stupid. My father raped me, but why does everyone treat it like such an unbearable tragedy? I can't wrap my head around how fragile the human mind actually is. We studied family dynamics in psychology class—it's all about balance. Too much affection and spoiling a kid is bad; not enough love is also bad. Maybe I'm just too green to get it yet... but I really want to.

I have to admit, betiboop's post actually comforted me a little. There was something in there that made me believe I might actually build up some self-respect, confidence, an ego—all the stuff I need to be a better person. Maybe I just tried to fix everything at once, since I managed to settle most of my guilt issues in just five sessions with my therapist.

I should tell you guys about my turning point. I was sitting with my therapist talking about depression, my reckless behavior, and all that fun stuff, and he told me I’d reached a crossroads. It was time to decide: do I go back to the old ways, or do I finally draw a line under everything I never want to repeat? He said I had to choose. So, there I am, sitting on a train heading to New York City, with three hours of solitude, and I suddenly start crying. I realized right then that I had to make that choice—that there would be no going back. If I didn't, every depressive episode would just be a cycle of self-pity. And I decided I wasn't going to give up anymore. It wasn't a massive, cinematic moment; it was more subtle, like deciding to quit smoking and just... not buying the packs anymore. From that moment on, life started looking like a much better place.

One more thing for Chris Peterson53: I know that struggle with anger management. A couple of years ago, I had those outbursts—not necessarily hitting people, but the kind of verbal aggression meant solely to hurt. It took a hell of a lot of effort to dial it down to something tolerable. Now, I'm mostly fighting the urge to control things. I constantly have to tell myself, "Don't micromanage your boyfriend... just stop."
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#27 ·
brighteagle39 said:Self-respect and self-confidence are two things that are deeply intertwined. I'm struggling to understand how one could be missing while the other remains intact. Usually, they move in tandem; once you build a healthy sense of self-respect, you naturally become a confident person. Conversely, where self-respect is lacking, confidence tends to vanish as well, and if someone does possess confidence without that underlying respect, it usually isn't built on very solid ground.

Well, I don't know, I'm not sure how tightly those two things are actually linked, they sound almost identical to me, but whatever...
I honestly feel like I've got one without the other,
and it's not just my own weird feeling, other people have pointed it out too—that I don't exactly have both qualities in sync...
like, people will tell me straight up that I lack self-respect, but nobody ever tells me I lack confidence, because I definitely have plenty of that, and I know it myself...
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#28 ·
I don't know, I’m not usually one to be this hard on myself,
but honestly, sometimes I feel like I've got a bit of an ego,
though at the same time, I can't help feeling like everyone else is just... somehow better than me,
and like I probably care about my friends way more than they ever care about me, if that makes sense...
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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joined May 2007
#29 ·
If you were actually near 😘 but you aren't—so just settle for some cheap thrills and rubber bands..

I honestly thought I had a split personality because of how my brain works—like, how can I be thinking one thing one second and then the total opposite the next? Then I’d dash over to the local bookstore and—boom—turns out I'm perfectly sane! 😁
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#30 ·
"Self-confidence is basically just the conviction that we actually have what it takes to think, learn, make choices, pull off decisions, and handle whatever challenges or changes life throws our way." (Miller and Rijavec, 2000). It’s usually split into two camps: external and internal. External confidence is all about your actual skills and what you can do—your toolkit, if you will. Internal confidence—often called self-esteem—is more about that gut feeling that you're actually "okay," believing you have inherent value just by being here (Miller and Rijavec, 2002). To get technical, self-esteem is essentially how you perceive your own worth, how you evaluate yourself, those mental judgments regarding your abilities, and the emotional fallout from those assessments (Vasta, Hait, Miller, 2005).
Bradley Cruz53 Bradley Cruz53 Newcomer
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#31 ·
It’s pretty damn unfair how we don't all start from the same baseline. Some people are basically running the same race as everyone else, but they’re carrying a backpack full of bricks on their backs. You can’t just drop the pack, but you *can* choose not to spend the whole time looking over your shoulder, crying about how heavy it is. If your load is three times heavier than theirs, you’re going to end up three times stronger. And honestly, who do you think is the real badass at the finish line? The guy who crossed first, or the one who came in second while lugging around 65 pounds of extra weight? The crowd wouldn't even blink at the winner. Sometimes life throws us these absolute curveballs just so we end up being much better versions of ourselves than if we’d been born with a silver spoon in our mouths. Stay positive. Keep the faith.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#32 ·
Bradley Cruz53 said:It’s pretty damn unfair how we don't all start from the same baseline. Some people are basically running the same race as everyone else, but they’re carrying a backpack full of bricks on their backs. You can’t just drop the pack, but you *can* choose not to spend the whole time looking over your shoulder, crying about how heavy it is. If your load is three times heavier than theirs, you’re going to end up three times stronger. And honestly, who do you think is the real badass at the finish line? The guy who crossed first, or the one who came in second while lugging around 65 pounds of extra weight? The crowd wouldn't even blink at the winner. Sometimes life throws us these absolute curveballs just so we end up being much better versions of ourselves than if we’d been born with a silver spoon in our mouths. Stay positive. Keep the faith.

I love it when people use such vivid metaphors..
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#33 ·
I felt like I was walking around with a neon sign flashing on my forehead for everyone to see... and even though a small part of me hoped it wasn't that obvious, that weight just held me back.
For the longest time, I was terrified of actually talking to people—I figured they’d spot the "weirdo" label immediately, so that whole stone analogy really hits home for me.
You basically have to lug this heavy backpack around while trying to act totally normal, because if people notice the struggle, they tend to bail... let's face it, everyone wants to hang out with the happy, easygoing crowd.
feralraven4 feralraven4 Newcomer
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#34 ·
When you talk about having a brand burned into your forehead, what are we actually talking about here? Are you referring to actual physical abuse, or just someone having rock-bottom self-esteem?
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#35 ·
feralraven4 said:When you talk about having a brand burned into your forehead, what are we actually talking about here? Are you referring to actual physical abuse, or just someone having rock-bottom self-esteem?

Abuse.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#36 ·
Sometimes I honestly can’t believe my life feels like one of those gritty, depressing Lifetime movies they play on afternoon TV back in the day.🙂
I dealt with an abusive stepfather who was 55 years older than me, and when my mother—who struggled with schizophrenia and never hid how much she hated me—found out about it, she actually told me I was just a little brat trying to steal her husband...
I was only nine years old at the time...
So yeah, even now at 21, I’m constantly fighting these internal demons. Some mornings, getting out of bed feels like an impossible mountain to climb, even though I try not to dwell on the past too much (which might actually be a blessing in disguise). I guess I'm finally feeling the fallout from all the trauma I tried to push down during my teenage years...
On the bright side, I’m fully aware of what I’m dealing with—both the stuff I have now and the things that might catch up to me later—and I really think being part of a community like this will help me navigate it all.🙂
Best,
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#37 ·
quietranger14, check your inbox
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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#38 ·
So, the midterm results finally dropped yesterday—the one I’ve been grinding for since the first week of the semester. I check my score, which is actually great, only to see that a friend of mine somehow managed to snag half a point more than me. Even though my grade is solid, I immediately spiraled—you know the drill—spiraling into self-doubt, overthinking everything, and trying to convince myself that scoring an 89% is "enough" or that I probably understood the material better anyway because I spent extra hours consolidating the info. But honestly? It didn't feel like enough. I ended up venting all that jealousy in my journal and promised myself I wouldn't let it get to me again.

My attempt at managing this obsessive need to micromanage everyone else's progress is going... well, it's moving along. At least it's something.
quietranger14 quietranger14 MemberOP
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joined May 2007
#39 ·
So, quick question... I can talk about the abuse now without breaking down—I mean, it still hits me occasionally, but it's rare. Is that just my brain using some defense mechanism like isolation of affect, or what?
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#40 ·
quietranger14 said:So, quick question... I can talk about the abuse now without breaking down—I mean, it still hits me occasionally, but it's rare. Is that just my brain using some defense mechanism like isolation of affect, or what?

It probably is. But honestly, that doesn't mean the trauma is healed. It just means you've swept it further under the rug.

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