Immigration: General Discussion Vol. IV (Read first post and moderator warning on pg. 309)

Dana Parker65 said:The Greeks wanted to get back at Europe, specifically the Germans, so they just let everyone through. Now they’re the loudest voices in the room because the "open door" policy stopped working for them. I don't feel a shred of sympathy. For years, they lived off everyone else's dime, drowning in debt, and when the party ended and they were forced to actually make cuts, they immediately pivoted to Plan B: vendettas against the EU. They thought they could get away with it once, but they can't anymore. You reap what you sow.

wearyowl4 said:A new route along the Adriatic Sea? >> http://bit.ly/1WYNIn4

"The barbed wire isn't meant to stop refugees; it's a signal sent to the administration in D.C.," Prime Minister Miro Cerar stated during yesterday's press conference on migration held at the Kennedy Center.

Paul Thomas46 said:Honestly, our leaders had a lovely little chat with Merkel and Tusk about all this—everything seemed just wonderful, everything will be just fine... and then, out of nowhere today, they suddenly change the laws so the military can deploy to the border.

It’s hardly news that politicians say one thing while doing the exact opposite ☕

And honestly, I’m not a fan of how this is playing out. They clearly know something they aren't telling us—if there wasn't a looming threat, they wouldn't have rushed through this today...

If you actually wanted to know what we "know" now, you probably already knew it before. No surprises here, I guess.
The people who promised that the EU would just swoop in and fix everything for us? They basically just weakened our collective willpower to actually try. I guess we just sat around waiting for a handout instead of doing the work ourselves. Maybe we made ourselves too dependent on them.
Maybe we should finally wake up?

Hey.
Frank Morgan2

Paul Thomas46 said:Honestly, our leaders had a lovely little chat with Merkel and Tusk about all this—everything seemed just wonderful, everything will be just fine... and then, out of nowhere today, they suddenly change the laws so the military can deploy to the border.

It’s hardly news that politicians say one thing while doing the exact opposite ☕

And honestly, I’m not a fan of how this is playing out. They clearly know something they aren't telling us—if there wasn't a looming threat, they wouldn't have rushed through this today...

wanderingbison9 said:Just don't forget that water always finds its way through the cracks... and it seems Greece is betting everything on that fact...

Frank Morgan2 said:If you actually wanted to know what we "know" now, you probably already knew it before. No surprises here, I guess.
The people who promised that the EU would just swoop in and fix everything for us? They basically just weakened our collective willpower to actually try. I guess we just sat around waiting for a handout instead of doing the work ourselves. Maybe we made ourselves too dependent on them.
Maybe we should finally wake up?

Hey.
Frank Morgan2

Nicole Barrett76 said:If this bold move is finally being made for our own benefit, then I must say, hats off to them!

Frank Morgan2 said:If you actually wanted to know what we "know" now, you probably already knew it before. No surprises here, I guess.
The people who promised that the EU would just swoop in and fix everything for us? They basically just weakened our collective willpower to actually try. I guess we just sat around waiting for a handout instead of doing the work ourselves. Maybe we made ourselves too dependent on them.
Maybe we should finally wake up?

Hey.
Frank Morgan2

Michelle Adams39 said:There are already 35,000 migrants in Greece—and if the Mexican border crossings stay at 300 or 400 people a day, we could see 70,000 to 90,000 by the end of the month.

It feels like everything might just hit a breaking point one day and spill over into the entire North America.

If you assume even just $30 per refugee per day,$17 I guess someone is making quite a profit out of this business.

Greece and Turkey are playing dirty, and now it seems like the Germans want some former Americans to clean up the mess.

Sophia Ramos5 said:Miro Cerar claims that razor wire isn't actually about stopping migrants—it's just a pointed message to the government in Washington.

"The barbed wire isn't meant to stop refugees; it's a signal sent to the administration in D.C.," Prime Minister Miro Cerar stated during yesterday's press conference on migration held at the Kennedy Center.

So, if they had only put up one layer, would that have been a different kind of message?

Donna Harris11 said:Back in early 2015, the Tsipras administration was actually threatening to ship migrants off to Germany.

Honestly, I don't think we should feel bad for Greece.

Maybe they'll finally decide to actually manage their own borders now.

Andrew Smith3 said:You could make a similar argument for Americans, mostly from an economic standpoint. We’ve forgotten what it feels like when EU institutions start acting like strict parents, using directives and leverage to dictate exactly how things should run in our own country.

The blame lies with the people who pushed them to the brink of debt slavery—those corrupt, incompetent elites who spent years buying social peace with easy credit. Eventually, the bankers tightened the noose, squeezed them dry, and now everything is up for grabs: their ports, their railroads, their islands... you get the idea.

And honestly, how are they supposed to stop desperate people when Turkey is being so "generous" about letting them through? Besides, just like us in the States, Greece has thousands of islands to deal with...🕺.

Sam Murphy said:Personally, I can't bring myself to feel sorry for anyone who took out millions in loans only to end up losing their house or apartment—even those folks with the Swiss franc mortgages who clearly didn't bother reading what they were signing... Back when I was looking at a 20-year mortgage and realized I’d be paying back an extra $100,000 just in interest on a $100,000 loan, I actually asked the banker if they were insane, though I ended up signing the papers anyway... Just because a large part of the population is financially illiterate, if not worse, doesn't excuse anything; the banks were simply making offers, and truth be told, I’d probably live way beyond my means too if I weren't more sensible... Let the Greeks sweat a little now; it was easy enough to just push them away, take the money for transport, and let the higher-ups deal with the mess they created...

Karen Doyle72 said:You could use that exact same logic for the immigrant crisis. I mean, seriously, why are we handing out all these massive benefits to asylum seekers? If you didn't offer the handouts, they wouldn't even show up.

Sam Murphy said:Personally, I can't bring myself to feel sorry for anyone who took out millions in loans only to end up losing their house or apartment—even those folks with the Swiss franc mortgages who clearly didn't bother reading what they were signing... Back when I was looking at a 20-year mortgage and realized I’d be paying back an extra $100,000 just in interest on a $100,000 loan, I actually asked the banker if they were insane, though I ended up signing the papers anyway... Just because a large part of the population is financially illiterate, if not worse, doesn't excuse anything; the banks were simply making offers, and truth be told, I’d probably live way beyond my means too if I weren't more sensible... Let the Greeks sweat a little now; it was easy enough to just push them away, take the money for transport, and let the higher-ups deal with the mess they created...