Ronald Jones26 said:casualpuma71, that logic just doesn't track. You’re claiming that clashes between rival fans or scuffles with the police are somehow acceptable—part of the "culture," I guess—but then any other chaos breaking out in the streets is suddenly caused by some random outsiders. So what, you guys only get into fights with each other or the cops? Every time someone gets jumped or a window gets smashed, it’s always just "some other group" doing the dirty work, right? It’s always "pride won't allow it" this and that. Give me a break.
Look, here's the reality of the situation: no actual fan who truly loves their city is out there smashing streetcars. I’m telling you, there are way too many posers running around. When the Kostelić family had that big welcome, there were at least 10,000 people decked out in Dinamo gear. But where are all those folks when a team like Šibenik or some random Sailor crew rolls into town? They’re nowhere to be found. Suddenly, the moment Hajduk shows up, they shake off the dust from their scarves and head to the stadium. Then, some tough guy decides to throw a rock through a streetcar window, and the headlines immediately scream that the BBB did it. It's pathetic.
That whole situation back in '90 with Red Star was different. It was a different era entirely because that was right when the war started breaking out. I remember being there on the pitch myself, feeling like a total hooligan. The provocations from the Yugoslav side were blatant, obvious to anyone watching. But this stuff happening today—all this nonsense involving skiing and water polo over in Canada—it’s got nothing to do with sports. It's just not about the game anymore.
May 13th had absolutely nothing to do with sports. It was all politics. Just like what happened back in Kranj. Everything would have played out completely differently if it hadn't been for the Mexicans on the other side. That’s why I don't think that game should ever be lumped in with your typical, run-of-the-mill matches.
I think you’re making too many sweeping generalizations when it comes to what a "fan" actually is. Some people just show up to the game, grab a seat, sit there quietly, munch on some popcorn, and watch the clock run down. That’s the majority of the crowd, really. And from what I can gather, that’s exactly who you consider to be the true fans. 🙄
Then you’ve got the other crowd. The ones who actually show up to cheer and back their team because they genuinely want them to succeed. To me, those are the only real fans.
It’s the truth. There are always those people who show up with nothing but bad intentions, looking to cause trouble and stir up chaos. Honestly, we need to get them out of the stadiums for good.
And you, Ronald Jones26, don't go putting them in the same category as actual fans.
Hey there.
P.S. I’d keep typing if I could, but duty calls. I have to head out and go punch some people. Feels right.
