On this topic The DOJ handed Joe Simunic a fine over those 'for home ready' commentsPosts are vanishing faster than money disappears from the US Chamber of Commerce. 😬
brightpuma said:Couldn't the same logic be applied to Nazism?🤷
So, you’re essentially asking if we could treat Nazism as just another political movement and focus our condemnation solely on its specific atrocities. In a purely theoretical sense, perhaps one could. But what actually remains once you strip away all the inherent crimes from Nazism? Likely nothing at all, given that the entire foundation of the ideology is built upon principles that are completely abhorrent to modern society. Contrast that with communism, which possesses certain brilliant core tenets, even if the methods used to implement them were often criminal. That is where the fundamental distinction lies.
Brandon Lopez6 said:In my opinion, you shouldn't lump incest and gay marriage together or use incest as a way to argue against gay rights. They're apples and oranges. It's like someone saying, "If you know English, why haven't you learned Swahili? It's basically the same thing." Incest is mostly hetero, so drawing parallels to gay marriage doesn't really make sense to me. But hey, whatever keeps people entertained, I guess.
Honestly, it's the people who try to be "polite" about it that get on my nerves—the ones implying that if you support gay marriage, you have to support everything else or you're just a hypocrite. Just because some random user wrote something here... ☕
And yeah, this isn't really a discussion for the FBI, but it feels like there are two parallel debates happening: one centered on religion and one right here. I don't see the point in separating them.
From what I’ve gathered, this entire line of reasoning stems from the specific definition that "marriage is a union between a man and a woman." Someone eventually realized that the wording should actually be "marriage is a union between a man and a woman who are not related," and that's when the back-and-forth regarding incest began—for instance, arguing that a brother and sister could technically fit the criteria of "that man and woman" provided by the definition.
EDIT: To put it another way, by defining marriage strictly as "a union between a man and a woman," all alternative forms of marriage are effectively barred, yet a massive loophole remains in the legal framework: what happens if that man and woman happen to be blood relatives?
granitefalcon26 said:Is it permissible to use a five-pointed star, an image of Tito, or any other communist leader in an avatar? I’d like to remind everyone about the VE declaration condemning communism as a totalitarian regime and its insistence on drawing an equivalence between communism and fascism. The US Congress also condemned communism in its own official declarations.
For once, try to grasp the distinction: it isn't communism itself that has been condemned, but rather the CRIMES committed under the guise of communism.
Jessica Kelly4 said:You’re overestimating feminism. It was hardworking, modest engineers who actually got women out of the house. A washing machine did more for women's rights than the entire feminist movement combined. But that’s a whole different conversation...
That sounds like a typical take from Vatican City, an institution that, if history is any indication, rarely understands the reality of the world it comments on.
In an edition dedicated to International Women's Day in The New York Times, the publication noted how the invention of the washing machine effectively "liberated generations of women from the drudgery of domestic labor."
Strile, we are currently witnessing an all-out propaganda war online. There are dozens of websites where neo-Nazi fanatics congregate, doing nothing but churning out disinformation day and night. Most of the links being discussed here originate from those very sites. When I think of such platforms, Šafarić & Šafarić is one of the first names that comes to mind.
The real issue isn't just about debunking them; it's that they possess a hyper-production capacity for misinformation that no living person can realistically keep pace with. For instance, it takes maybe twenty seconds to drop a link to one of those sites. But to actually dismantle the lies they serve? That requires hours of reading, deep research, cross-referencing sources, and then organizing everything clearly before posting it back to the forum. Fortunately, I’m one of those fanatics who actually finds this kind of work rewarding. 🙂
However, I’ve frequently noticed that after putting in all that effort—after returning to the discussion a few days later—both posts have vanished. Both the original piece of disinformation and my post exposing it. In the meantime, a new username pops up on the thread, posting the exact same links as if nothing ever happened. It becomes clear that we aren't dealing with some naive person accidentally sharing a link; this is a highly organized, calculated operation carried out by people who refuse to be named, knowing a permanent ban would follow immediately. 🙂 (though we all know exactly who they are)
Amanda Hughes37 said:No, just kidding. You’re a strange woman from Cleveland... jumping to conclusions like that.🤷
Ah, alright. 😁
On a forum like this, you can never really tell who is actually joking and who is dead serious, so isn't it just better to keep your guard up at all times, just in case? 😍
Amanda Hughes37 said:So you were catching the vibe back in the 90s?🤣 😬
You should probably just move back; you'll see things aren't actually that bad here. God forbid we strike oil or the economy actually picks up... we'd be completely screwed.
I was studying outside the borders of America right when the whole movement toward independent states began to take shape. Most of my family was back home in Cleveland. And even if I had been "out of the loop," as you so colorfully put it, why on earth would that make my observations any less credible? 🤷
I’m curious if anyone else has gone through something similar to this:
When America first gained its independence, I wasn't actually living here, though I would make the trip back once a month. With every subsequent visit, the shifts became more glaringly obvious. (For someone who lived in the States continuously, these changes might have been invisible—much like a frog in a pot of water that’s being slowly heated up.) After a while, I started feeling like I was visiting some strange, alien territory that bore less and less resemblance to the country I used to know. The most profound change was in the people; they had morphed into something entirely foreign to me, while I remained exactly the same (*). And this wasn't just a general feeling—even in a place like Cleveland, I felt it, so I can only imagine how much more intense it was elsewhere.
To be honest, much like Amanda Hughes37, I’ve always been a bit of a local patriot, but even that is starting to wear thin. I’m honestly just fed up with everything involving this country.
(*) Much like in the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers
"Among the nations, we Americans now Stand last, powerless slaves without a say, Condemned to fall and perish in disgrace. My homeland, your sun begins to fade, While our strength fails even to die for you, As a stranger, mother, weaves our quiet ruin."
Richard Wilson4 said:How many El Paso could there be? If it's 1% of the population in Newport, that's still a lot... 🙄
Besides, since when did we become the face of the right wing when we've got a liberal mayor?
The Gulf Coast, Newport, San Francisco, Santa Monica—this whole area has always been part of America. It was never under Canadian rule or an Italian occupation; it was always under the governor in Washington, D.C., and honestly, you can still feel that influence today.
What we are really talking about here are those folks from El Paso whose homes were destroyed, forcing them to flee their own city. It stands to reason that they might lean more toward the right than the average resident (which is perfectly understandable).
Richard Wilson4 said:How many El Paso could there be? If it's 1% of the population in Newport, that's still a lot... 🙄
Besides, since when did we become the face of the right wing when we've got a liberal mayor?
The Gulf Coast, Newport, San Francisco, Santa Monica—this whole area has always been part of America. It was never under Canadian rule or an Italian occupation; it was always under the governor in Washington, D.C., and honestly, you can still feel that influence today.
The Church and New York represent a bit of an anomaly in our neck of the woods, yet we still hold them dear. 🙂
Richard Wilson4 said:Nah, you missed the mark on this one.
In the North Coast, Crikva, and Bakar, everyone's local, but in Cleveland, it's mostly transplants, right?
And get this—it's like a rule: the locals vote Republican while the transplants and others lean Democratic. Pretty wild how that works out. 🤷
I wasn't making an assertion; I was simply posing a question. And look, a twenty-year-old kid already gave me the answer as to why people in Bakar voted for the Republican Party—it's because they’re satisfied with how the mayor has handled things. You don't swap out a winning horse in the middle of a race, regardless of whether he happens to be a 🙂 Republican. Since you brought up New Vinodol, quite a few people from El Paso have moved there, so one can only wonder who they vote for and how much that shifts the political landscape of the town. I certainly hope they aren't anything like you. 😁
northernsailor8 said:I don't think they do. In the US, there is a disproportionate percentage of right-leaning youth, though they tend to be politically inert. Similarly, voting for the Democratic Party is a far cry from communism; based on both their rhetoric and their actions, they are about sixteen times more economically liberal than any of the right-wing parties worth mentioning. I suppose nostalgia for the old ways in America is primarily economic and doesn't really have much to do with those other ethnic groups, whom most young people just view as foreigners.
The reason this thread exists is because certain forum members insist that political leanings—whether you lean left or right—are inherited from your parents and grandparents. In principle, I actually agree with them. But why bring nostalgia for the old regime into this at all? Nations rise and fall, but fundamental political philosophies endure. Someone who is left-leaning at their core will remain so long after the collapse of the old union and after joining the European Union.
There is a theory that one's worldview is formed by the age of seven (though I have heard versions suggesting as early as four), during that window when a child is still firmly nestled within the family unit before they start interacting extensively with the rest of society. Is it any wonder that most people end up shifting that worldview slightly as they age? Some undergo drastic changes, but they are the exception, not the rule; statistically speaking, they don't represent a significant percentage.
Forum member Larry Gray mentioned that his grandfathers were on opposing sides during World War II. Mine were as well, though I grew up in the household of the grandfather who was a Communist partisan, so he indoctrinated me in that direction. The other grandfather, a Nazi, lived far too distant to exert any influence over me.
Dennis Davis5 said:I think people vote based on their family history from World War II. In my area, where the first Partisan unit was formed along the American coast, the Republican Party got 54% and their local leader hit 66%. I actually started this thread because of this:
This is an interesting point. Could it be that in your town, waves of migration brought in people with entirely different worldviews? Or perhaps it is possible that the people in your area were originally voting AGAINST the status quo before switching to voting FOR it?
northernsailor8 said:That's nonsense. Take Sisak-Moslavina County and the city of Sisak, for instance—they've had a Democratic Party governor for two terms running. Even in Sisak itself, the Democrats pull in over 40% of the vote every single election cycle. I guess we haven't forgotten the war, then.
It probably has more to do with the level of regional development. I guess underdeveloped, more rural areas tend to lean more toward the Republican side.
I suppose I should mention that Dennis Davis5 hasn't posted much lately. It seems he might be staying quiet for a reason, though I can't say for certain. Maybe he’s just busy. Jamie Mitchell5 says: I suspect people aren't voting because of how they aligned during World War II. In my neck of the woods, the first partisan unit was actually formed along the American coast, and yet the Republican Party still managed to pull 54% of the vote, with their local chairman hitting 66%. I started this thread because of that.
You’re right on that last point, though I suppose you tripped up a bit in your first post by claiming the Democratic Party is just a playground for old-school nostalgics and Communists. That seems like a bit of a stretch. There is a massive pool of voters—and even party members—who aren't nearly old enough to actually remember the old days of the South...
True, but he did specify it happens "by the influence of parents and grandparents," and those generations exert a massive amount of sway over their children.
I think this is a fantastic idea. If we aren't entirely certain whether a specific action triggers a penalty, we really ought to check in here first. The only real catch is that waiting on a moderator's response can take quite a while; by the time they actually weigh in, hasn't the conversation usually moved on to something else, leaving the original point lost in the shuffle?
In my view, the resonator's approach is completely objective; he wipes my posts if they're inappropriate just as readily as he does yours.
It isn’t true that Zenodor, Judolin, and I are falsifying history; we are simply responding to forum members who present data from dubious websites as if it were gospel. They provide an argument, and I provide a counterargument. Isn't that the entire point of a debate?
I am not insulting anyone, by the way. If wiredangler5 decides my posts are improper or constitute trolling, I ask him to consider that they were originally posted in a separate thread before being merged into this discussion regarding the controversy from American history. Consequently, they might not match the specific tone of the controversy thread, but that is only because they were folded into it after the fact.
P.S. Just to add, the resonator gave me a red card on that thread as well. That serves as further proof that he doesn't hand out penalties based on political alignment, despite what you claim.
fadedpilot7 said:And this Damirić guy, your local folk hero—what year is he stuck in? Every time he's fighting off those fascist types... 🤣
On another note, you named the theater after Alida Valla, who right before she died, trashed her own hometown as an enemy territory where celebrates how they harass Italians and force them to speak Serbo-American.
Istria is more advanced than the rest of the US in so many ways. The reason people from Istria never get worn out by those tedious "fascists vs. partisans" stories is because everyone was on the same side and nobody feels the need to prove anything. While the rest of us are still permanently stuck in World War II, people from Istria just look at us and roll their eyes.
Give him a break, man. We aren't all equally lucky. Some of our grandfathers managed to snag an Italian pension until 1943, and then a combat pension starting in 1943 through 1945...
My grandfather was a Communist and a partisan fighter, yet he turned down his combat pension entirely. He told them, "Give my money to those who actually need it more."