Posts by silentpilot6

It seems to me that the biggest complaint from those who dismiss these films is the lack of mythology—or rather, its total absence.

For me, that is exactly the issue.👍

P. S.
I haven't properly explained what the Mandrili-ti actually are yet; you seemed to think they were just some kind of spheres 😂 or whatever else you mentioned. You probably remember it too😉

So-ko, who is the bigger mandril here? 😬

I might be a mandril, but you are a total MANDRILČINA 🙂

I'm not upset at all; I'm just taking a break from studying and decided to write a bit and put together some psychological profiles of the people on this forum.

Thure, you've got it wrong. There is a massive difference between offering criticism and engaging in mass psychology.😁

Besides, I am actually quite interested in hearing more critiques regarding Troy.

I’ll step in here as an outside observer to offer what I believe to be my own perspective from God😁 (though outsiders often see the situation more clearly than those on the inside) 😬

It seems to me that there is a pervasive sense of animosity throughout this entire subforum toward Hollywood spectacles, or anything even remotely resembling them.
To be honest, I am not quite sure how LOTR fits into this whole narrative, but it feels like that one exception that proves the rule. It isn't actually a Hollywood spectacle—it’s an Australian production, and since Jackson is also Australian, perhaps that is why it managed to turn out so brilliantly despite its flaws.

I would bet that if it had been filmed in Hollywood under a different director, people would be spitting on it just as much as I do. 👍

When you say you dislike Braveheart😲—I truly don't understand that. If you said you disliked Gladiator, I could wrap my head around it—but even that film hasn't earned such intense criticism. Now, you're saying you dislike Troy as well.
It is not that I am specifically defending it; to me, it is decent entertainment, nothing more. But for anyone claiming that it is better $10 to spend money on nails—they are simply being ridiculous.

What I really want to say is 🤔 that if you can't manage to be a sophisticated film enthusiast, at least don't act like one. You shouldn't pose as someone who "gets" cinema while automatically attacking spectacles by default.

Besides, what exactly were you expecting? Hegelian philosophy? Deep substance? Dialogues that will teach you everything there is to know about the art of film?

It is not as if I am some defender of Hollywood. Far from it. I am simply writing down how things appear to me. I might be wrong, but I do not believe I am being completely delusional or writing things that have no basis in reality.
Now, this is where we run into 😁 mass psychology. One person starts criticizing something, then others join in, and everyone else feels compelled to outdo the previous critics—even if they don't actually feel that way, they just follow the crowd.

I haven't just noticed this here; it happens frequently across the forum. Even people I know personally behave this way online, only to talk to me about completely different things in RL.

Regardless, I have no intention of defending Troy, so why bother? It didn't move me deeply enough to justify spending any extra time on it. However, if you are going to watch it, you should.

So, they’re attacking Troy now, like it's some kind of four-part VIII epic?

What exactly was scavenged from that absolute buffoon Jackson?

You bring up dialogue, but just look at the dialogue in LOTR.
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-From what I recall of reading The Iliad back in high school-the armies actually stood there watching their "champions" tear into each other.

Granted, they probably didn't all stand still (at least not the ones more than ten feet away), but those close by certainly did.

And let's be honest, Achilles is a narcissistic butcher.
👎One more thing: Jackson is a guy who calls himself an expert in Fantazy, much like I claim to be an expert in nuclear physics.

Bercana said:Look, silentpilot6. You clearly loved it.
For me, Troy was pretty terrible (except for the fight scenes).

Americans should be legally barred from making historical films that have absolutely nothing to do with their own landscape.

And I mean that wholeheartedly.

Take care,

Look, Bercana. Personally, I find that everyone praises LOTR totalno smeće Breaveheart. 🙂 🤮

Braveheart remains one of my all-time favorite movies. So what if it is?
Kill me now.😁

Bye,

Immediately following her comes the epic battle at 🙏 Falkirk, followed by a long lull before the siege of
Troy begins.
I am just waiting to see how they portray Alexander the Great.
That man was truly LUUUUUUUD tough, and if he isn't depicted that way, I will be genuinely disappointed. 😁

What did he actually do? What do you all think? Any city that dared to resist him was leveled to its foundations, with the inhabitants either killed or enslaved. Even those that surrendered peacefully weren't safe from a similar fate, especially if they decided to rebel the next morning.

I don't quite understand why people are so disappointed with
Troy. What exactly were you expecting besides a Hollywood spectacle?
At the end of the day, what is wrong with a Hollywood spectacle? If I wanted something intellectually demanding or deep, I would pick up a book. I go to the movies to enjoy myself, and Troy is more than enough entertainment. 👍

Since we're talking about slaughter scenes, that epic battle at
Stirling is truly unbeatable. It’s the gold standard for gritty, large-scale combat where you see exactly who's winning and who's paying the price.
😬They used over 6,000 extras to film that sequence, and more than a hundred of them actually ended up needing medical attention afterward.

Jonathan Palmer said:silentpilot6, I wasn't exactly expecting gods with muscles like that...
But I have to agree on one thing: this is the perfect movie for women. There are so many muscular bodies with incredible physiques... it's enough to make you faint just looking at them.

Though I highly doubt Achilles actually looked that attractive in his original form...😁

Ah... that scene where they are getting ready for the fight.
When Brad Pitt is putting on his armor, and then they show the other guy.

Honestly, they're sexy even when they're just getting dressed...

Good grief... what a provocative film.

It’s a great movie for guys, too. Those three: Helen, Hector's wife—whatever her name was—and the woman who gave Achilles part two😁 are definitely my🙏 🙏 🙏

In fact, I think Hector's lady is even better looking than Helen. Granted, you can't even see her backside😢 but what can you do?

B. Pitt is a total stud in RL.😁

Actually, it would have been better if they used all that wasted money (supposedly 180 million dollars) to film the most expensive adult movie in the world, featuring various kinks along with massive epic battles. 🙂

I’d really love to see Hector's lady in a hot scene. Actually, in several hot scenes.👍

Everyone keeps talking about mythology this and mythology that. Personally, I actually love how they completely tossed the mythology out the window. Like I mentioned earlier.
That’s just what happens when I accidentally hit caps lock without realizing it. 😁

The dialogue isn't exactly Oscar-worthy, but it's easy to follow and isn't, at least not overly, 😁 pretentious.
If they had included more sex—well, they should have. We all wanted to see Helen's curves.

Besides, why would Helen be some loose woman? It's all about love and those intense feelings. 😁
But I'm a hopeless romantic, so I found it all perfectly fine. 👍

It's true that Odysseus feels a bit trivialized, but whatever.

A quick summary.
If you are looking for Greek mythology, you won't find it here. However, if you're interested in how all of this *could* have actually happened—and I emphasize "could"—then you won't be disappointed.
As for a historical spectacle—it definitely delivers on that front.
Regarding the dialogue—as I stated above.

There is plenty of romance and themes of grand, boundless love. Romantics, enjoy yourselves. 😁

The battles are epic, and the music is excellent.

I mean, what else would you expect from a Hollywood spectacle?
It's certainly not some Swedish surrealist film. 😁

I agree they could have, or rather, they should have 😁, thrown in some attractive and fun Amazons in little leather dresses 🙂, just to drag the war out a bit longer. They really could have done anything...

Personally, I actually appreciate that the gods don't show up directly or manipulate human fates—at least not overtly. Sure, there's the whole "Come on-Achilles" dynamic with his mother, but even that is worth discussing.

Everything is presented in a way that shows how things could actually happen without direct divine intervention. Over time, the epic took on a mystical quality—especially since we shouldn't forget that Homer lived several centuries later and wrote based on the legends and traditions of his own era. People began attributing certain events to divine influence that wasn't actually there. That is, unless you believe in Zeus and Apollo.😁

This is perfectly illustrated by the example of Achilles' heel mentioned above.

They are all just mortals, flesh and blood people who believed—or didn't believe—in divine influence, much like how we believe or don't believe that things happen according to God's will. It was only with the passage of time that famous Greek myth was woven into the entire narrative.

Anyway, let me know what you all think.

To circle back to Brave Heart-Bitak regarding Stirling—it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual Battle of Stirling. In fact, it’s not even close.

Wallace never actually met an English princess, let alone fathered a child with one.
He was an outlaw and a killer, a bandit 😬 long before his wife—or girlfriend, it's unclear which—was ever killed.

Want more? 😁

Even with those inaccuracies, the movie is still LAW.

If people went looking for a needle in a haystack, they’d definitely find it.

Iphigenia gets zero points from me.

If we compare it to Braveheart, which barely has any basis in actual history, I still think that movie is absolute perfection.

In Troy, 🤔 the historical context isn't exactly ignored, but I'll leave that for the historian Donna Nelson23 to weigh in on.

Personally, I thought the movie was genuinely good.

A few light spoilers ahead, just so nobody is caught off guard.

I kept waiting for the Amazons to show up more, but nothing happened.
The mythology is almost entirely stripped away from the film. Achilles is portrayed simply as an incredible warrior, not some invincible being.
I actually liked how they handled Achilles' heel.
At the end of the movie, Paris hits Achilles in the heel, and then Achilles charges toward him only to take three more arrows to the chest. Even for him, that's a bit much, but before he dies, he pulls those three arrows out of his chest—though the arrow in his heel remains. When the rest of the Greeks find him like that, you've got all the material needed for the legend of Achilles' heel.

Just got back from the premiere.
There were some really great pieces. The appetizers were perfectly timed—to be honest, they really hit the spot for my hungry stomach. The champagne was quite good, and the wine—some Pinot—was decent enough.

They actually interviewed me for a quick soundbite. If you see someone looking a bit awkward while trying to give a smart comment with a mouth full of food 😁, that was me.

The film 🙏

It was a Hollywood spectacle at its finest. Impressive, grand, and clearly expensive.
The cast 👍

Pieces 🙏 🙏 🙏

Doduše, the movie makes it seem like the Trojan War lasted maybe two or three weeks, but whatever.

The characterization is truly excellent. Especially with Achilles, Hector, Helen, Paris, and Menelaus... honestly, all the main characters.

The costume design and set production are outstanding.

The atmosphere was brilliantly captured.

Even though it runs nearly three hours, there aren't any "dead spots," excessive sentimentality, cheesiness, or unnecessary philosophizing.

I won't ramble on anymore; just go see this marvel for yourself. If nothing else, it would be a shame to watch a spectacle like this on a DVD.

I generally love historical epics, and this one might actually rival Brave Heart 👍

Troy👍

maristella69 said:While we wait for Musin's take, I'll offer mine.

Charlize Theron delivered a fascinating performance; her Oscar win was completely earned, and certainly not just because of the physical transformation. It was a joy to witness such inspired acting—unapologetic, uncompromising, and raw. I believe this role marked a major turning point in her career, proving that taking such a drastic risk can truly pay off.

As for the movie itself, it’s a slightly less successful achievement. Most of its merit comes from Charlize, because aside from her, the portrayal feels quite thin. There isn't much depth or detail; key elements are merely hinted at because, ultimately, it functions as a "one-woman show."
It starts off feeling rather pretentious, yet thanks to Charlize's commanding presence, several themes are suggested. However, the film doesn't fully dive into those depths, staying focused solely on her character and one central narrative—a story told a million times before, often with much better development, but this time it felt as though the film existed primarily to give Charlize a chance to shine.

Yes, they certainly exploited her talent, but she's really the only thing I'll remember, perhaps along with an infantinely sweet and quite good Christina Ricci, and the somewhat bizarre romance between the two.

The film is easy to watch but a bit shallow—or rather, thin—though definitely not bad.
I genuinely enjoyed watching it.

P.S.
One more critique.
While Charlize's transformation was excellent, they didn't really need to turn her into a browless monster, even if she wasn't playing a beauty.
To me, she looked like someone who had survived a horrific accident that left her face scarred.

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What else is there to say?

Big spoiler. Don't read further unless you absolutely have to. 😁

Before watching, I read that she was portrayed as some kind of victim. I mean, WTF.
Fine, okay, she's a tragic woman or whatever. Sure, she probably should have taken out that first character, and maybe the others...
But come on, it's not like they were all evil. She seemed to be searching for a motive, but the reasons provided were basically: "You have ugly shoes, so now you're dead."

As soon as I saw this thread title, I was immediately reminded of The Cell.👍

To be honest, the movie itself is a bit of a mess, but visually, it’s absolutely Google.

An irritating experience???
The entire movie is one giant, irritating experience.
I absolutely love The Matrix 1, 🙏 🙏 🙏 I even own the original DVDs at home 😁

The Matrix II isn't anywhere near the first one, though it's perfectly watchable—and let's be honest, Smith Rula is actually decent

As for the third part 🤮 🙂
What a complete idiot. What a disaster and a total waste of time.
Pure, nauseating sentimentality. I'm honestly speechless at what a piece of TRASH this was.
Do you realize how many hours they spent turning even Smith into just another boring moron? 😢
The Wachowski brothers completely lost their way. They totally lost it.
Looking back, maybe it would have been better if there was just the first film and nothing else.

I mean, how can someone write and film such GARBAGE as the third installment?
It's shameful. 👎

The lobbying efforts seem to have paid off somewhat. I won't get ahead of myself, though, because I don't want to jinx anything 😁. It looks like we might actually make the cut, just not in a movie—but I'll save those details for later.
Keep your fingers crossed.

Perhaps they should.
But I just can't wrap my head around all this "bureaucracy" and how long the process is supposed to be for opening a subforum.
It’s like we're applying for a building permit in Chicago.
I'm no tech expert when it comes to how this site works, but I'd bet anything that setting up a new subforum shouldn't take more than ten minutes.