Sailing

Martin said:Do you happen to have any old laser level for sale that isn't leaking? 🙂 I need it for a project at Central Park 🙂

A buddy of mine has one from the local transit authority—look, I know it’s not exactly top-of-the-line gear, but it might get the job done. 🙂
As for whether it leaks? Honestly, I have no clue—it's been mounted up in his garage ceiling for ages... 😁

casualfox9 said:😍 I’m dreaming about some apple cider and island hopping, maybe even hitting up Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket 😍

But seriously, why does it always seem to happen right in the middle of finals week? 😁 👎 Where are you guys heading in July?

We usually try to use our vacation time around holidays so we don't burn through our annual leave too fast. 😁

We’ll probably head out during the first two weeks of August, doing a loop from Los Angeles to San Francisco and back... nothing is set in stone yet, though; we're still looking for a boat.

If you want to get down to San Diego, you can catch a ferry on the 505 route almost every weekend.🙂

Yo momma... said:I agree.
But honestly, it’s interesting how lately—especially over the last few years, ever since this new class of nouveau riche pretenders became the role models for kids all across the country—it seems like "REAL" sailing is strictly limited to cruising on keelboats, mini-tonners, & stuff like that...
Maybe I'm off base, or maybe I haven't dug through the forums enough, but where is competitive racing? Where are the 470s, or the New York Yankees? Where are the beauties like the Finn and the laser ???
If SOMETHING counts as sailing, then it is competitive sailing.

I'm actually trying to get a 505 class started here in the States for a crew that's a bit too heavy for the 470s... Hoping we can get five boats on the water soon.

A truly worthwhile initiative... 🙂
Honestly, I’ve been browsing some used boat listings online lately and I am absolutely appalled... $500 for a 505 with a trailer in less-than-ideal condition???? 😲

Regardless, International 505 Class RULES!

And since you claim the 505 is meant for people who are "too heavy" for a 470... have you ever actually tried racing an Optimist Dinghy when you’re personally weighing in at, say, 180+ pounds, you're over 25 years old, and you've had a couple of glasses of wine in you? 😁 IT FLIES LIKE A ROCKET! 😉

Yo momma... said:It’s a truly worthwhile initiative... 🙂
I’ve been scrolling through some used International 505 Class listings lately, and honestly, I’m just floored. You’re looking at $600 for a boat and trailer that’s clearly seen better days? It’s absolutely ridiculous. 😲

Anyway, International 505 Class RULA!

And since you’re claiming the 505 is for people who find the 470 too heavy... have you ever actually tried racing an Optimist when you're a 180-pound guy in his late twenties with two glasses of wine in your system? 😁 Juri is an absolute beast on the water! 😉

So, after spending six months scouring the market for an International 505 Class, here is a rough breakdown of what the current pricing looks like:

New boat available: priced between $11,000 and $17,000, fully rigged and ready to sail.

If you’re looking for a competitive boat—specifically number 8400 or anything newer from '93 onwards—you should budget somewhere between $4,500 and $7,500. That estimate includes the sails, the trailer, and all that extra gear.

If you're looking at an older boat from around '92 that comes equipped with decent sails and rigging, I’d say you should expect to pay somewhere between $1,600 and $3,300.

If you're looking for something built before '85, that should be perfectly fine for sailing, though honestly, it all comes down to how well she's been maintained. You're probably looking at a range of $550 to $1,600 depending on the condition.

Just for a laugh—I’m looking for something older than an 80s model: somewhere around $550, trailer included.

You can pick up boats at a significantly lower price point in the United Kingdom than you would in places like Germany or France.

Hands down, the greatest sport on the planet: windsurfing
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Anyone here actually tried Red Bull yet?

Ariel said:Has anyone actually tried out the Fireball?

I haven't had the chance to take one out myself, but I did catch a glimpse of one at a club in England a few months back. It’s a charming vessel—the hull design looks a bit unconventional, but man, does it fly once you get going. I recall the racing scene being quite intense back in Canada, though things seem to have quieted down lately, which is a real shame.

By the way, this 505 blog just popped up:

Listen, I don't have time for games or those mindless little insults you kids throw around like confetti. If you think starting a conversation with a "yo momma" joke is going to get a rise out of me, you’ve got another thing coming. It’s lazy, it’s uninspired, and frankly, it’s beneath any kind of actual discussion. It’s like watching someone try to win a high-stakes poker game by throwing salt at the dealer—it’s just pathetic and serves no purpose other than to show how little effort you're willing to put into being an adult. Get real.
Solid stuff.
It’s actually pretty interesting how things have played out lately—I’m talking about the last several years, specifically since that whole class of nouveau riche bottom-feeders established themselves as the supposed role models for kids all over this country. It turns out that...Spot on. Sailing should be strictly about the classics—think heavy keelboats, traditional sloops, and those old-school racing machines that actually require some skill to handle. It shouldn't just be anyone grabbing a plastic dinghy and calling themselves a sailor.
Maybe I’m off base here, or maybe I just haven't scoured every single corner of this board yet, but where the hell happened to all the sailing? Where are the 470s, and where are the New York Yankees? Where are those absolute beauties like the Finn and the laser???

If it's... Something. Sailing? If you’re just drifting around aimlessly on a lake, that’s not sailing—that’s just floating. Real sailing is a sport. It requires grit, skill, and actually knowing how to handle a vessel when the wind kicks up. If there isn't any competition or technical mastery involved, don't call it sailing.

I’m with you on that. Real sailing means competing in Olympic-class boats, though I’ll admit you can still have a hell of a time out on cruising vessels if you know what you're doing. It just introduces a whole different set of variables into the equation.
I spent five years cutting my teeth on the Optimist class back when I was just a kid, then moved up to the 470s where I spent another five years grinding as a crew. That time in the 470s was a massive learning curve for me because the mechanics are so similar; once you understand those systems, sailing a keelboat is basically just that same logic dialed up to eleven. Whenever I had a spare moment while racing the 470s, I’d jump into keelboat regattas too, so I’ve managed to stack up a decent amount of experience, even if I’m still a long way from being some kind of master. The thing about sailing is that the learning curve is infinite—if you actually have the drive, you could spend your entire life studying it. You’re always going to stumble upon some new nuance or find a way to shave a few seconds off an old technique.

Hey there, Sailor.

From my early days in Optimists to moving on to Lasers... I did some sailing on keelboats too, but I think I’ve officially fallen in love with Hobie Cats. 😍
The Hobie is honestly the best boat I've ever handled, and being the crew is such a blast. You’re standing up, you’re falling everywhere... I mean, I definitely picked up a few bruises along the way, but that sensation is just incomparable. 👍

If I didn't have a jealous husband and such a handsome Hobie partner, I guess I could be out there doing this all the time. 🙂

As for the keelboats, they just don't give me that real sailing rush. I suppose spending a week on a charter in the Florida Keys sounds nice, but nothing beats a dinghy. 😵

Ish the Disney said:I started out sailing Optimists, then moved up to Lasers... did a bit of dinghy racing on older keelboats... but honestly? I’ve completely fallen in love with Hobie Cats. 😍
Hobie is hands down the best sailing rig I’ve ever had the pleasure of testing, and man, being a trapeze sailor is an absolute blast. You’re standing up there, catching the wind, and then—bam—you're wiping out everywhere. I’ve definitely picked up my fair share of bruises and scrapes along the way, but honestly? That rush is just incomparable. 👍

If only I didn't have a jealous husband and a hot hobby partner standing in my way, I could actually get out and do this a lot more often. 🙂

The sailing enthusiasts just don't have that true windsurfing spirit. Don't get me wrong, spending seven days out on a chartered boat during the summer sounds lovely, but nothing compares to the rush of being out there on a windsurfer. It’s just a different league entirely. 😵

Have you ever tried riding in a hurricane? What's the actual difference compared to a Hobie Cat?

Unfortunately, I'm not

Being a deckhand is honestly a blast... you're up there, catching air, wiping out everywhere... you pick up all sorts of bruises along the way, but man, that rush is incomparable. 👍

That's just how it is. I’ve absolutely eaten it a few times. I remember this one time we were racing off the coast of Florida, and these winds were howling at maybe 30 knots. We were pushing a heavy keelboat hard on a spinnaker run, and I’m perched right out on the edge. We’re hauling ass, yelling commands over the wind, everything is intense—and then suddenly, a sheet snaps. I get launched straight into the Atlantic, and because I had a line wrapped around my arm, I nearly lost the limb entirely. The swell was brutal, and my skipper ended up doing some kind of accidental backflip mid-chaos. It was pure insanity. Honestly, I still regret that we had to sell the boat just because my skipper headed off to college in Boston. I really miss those days.

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Martin said:Ever sailed a tornado? How does it stack up against a Hobie Cat?

Man, it really depends on which Hobie Cat you're talking about—and honestly, which tornado too! I haven't personally helmed a tornado, but I have spent plenty of time on boats of a similar size and performance profile (specifically a Fox).

When people say "Hobie," they usually mean the Sunfish, right? Well, actually, most folks mean the Sunfish when they talk about a Hobie 16, which is this super fun little rocket ship—fast, but mostly just pure, unadulterated joy. That’s a 16-footer. Now, the tornado is a different beast entirely—it's 21 feet long with a massive sail area, probably around 30 square meters if you're measuring by keelboats. And listen, those older wooden tornados from back in the day—the ones without spinnakers or trapezes—they weren't nearly as wild as the modern versions. A Sunfish is basically built for surfers to have a blast, whereas a tornado is an Olympic-level racing machine. But hey, both are definitely catamarans!

The Fox is like the ultimate high-tech racer—a 20-foot beast and arguably the most advanced production boat out there (in the F-20 class). I've been out on a Fox a few times—not my own, obviously—and man, it is unbelievable! You wouldn't believe how fast a catamaran can fly; with 30 knots of wind, I'm pretty sure it was doing 35 knots halfway through a downwind run. Seriously, 35 knots! Most Coast Guard patrol boats couldn't even catch it. But... I'd never actually buy one. It costs like $15k, and you have to treat it like a newborn baby. With my Sunfish, I can just drag it onto a sandy beach without any fancy trailers, crack open a cold beer, and just chill on the trampoline. You can't do that with a Fox! Of course, Hobie has everything in between—you've got the Hobie 18, which is like a beefier version of the Sunfish with hulls; the Hobie 17, which is a single-hander; the Tiger, which is a top-tier F-18 style boat (actually, a world champ named Mich Booth used a Tiger—he was a huge favorite for gold in the tornado class in Athens!); then you've got the Getaway and Wave for casual weekend fun; the Hobie Pacific, which is a total beast for the open ocean; and the Hobie 21, a sporty coastal cruiser where you can camp out on the trampoline under a tent. Hobie has been making cats since the 60s, and they've sold over 200,000 Sunfish units alone! There have been about 20 different models, so "Hobie Cat" is a pretty broad term. Even two Sunfish boats can be totally different. Mine was a late-model South African build—super light for the class with really asymmetric hulls, so it was a killer Sunfish. Meanwhile, a model from the 70s might be twice as heavy and have much clunkier hulls—basically a whole different league. I ended up selling mine because my partner moved to America for a few years, and after a couple of failed attempts with other partners... well, I just let the boat go.

As for the "feel" of them, just check out these clips:

Check out this tornado clip: http://www.wallen.se/files/wallen2.mpg
And this one of a Sunfish (with the pin at the end—it flips over the nose, you launch like you're being shot out of a catapult, and if you hit the mast or a line, it won't kill ya!):
http://user.it.uu.se/~sanna/film/h16_downwind.wmv
Tornado drag racing (they actually did drag races after the World Championships one year—this video isn't sped up, they really move that fast!):
http://www.acay.com.au/~gonzo/tornado.mpeg
Water skiing behind a Sunfish:
http://www.hobie-cat.net/img/videos/...g_ski2_dsl.wmv
Sunfish Worlds:
http://www.hobiecat.nu/media/batar/16/guadelope.mov
Another tornado clip:
http://www.wallen.se/files/539cadis6.mpg

Dish said:Man, being a trapeze artist is such a wild ride... you're just up there, flying all over the place!

Honestly, just install a second trapez and you won't have to be a total daredevil just to get some air... I'm telling you, being at the helm and on the trapez at the exact same time? Pure magic. Plus, a trapez isn't even that pricey...

George Morgan3 said:Look, I’ve sailed a Sunfish, and yeah, I’ve even taken a Fox out—and frankly, I was faster than all of you combined. Sure, maybe you could catch me on a short sprint... but how long can you actually hold 25 or 30 knots on a surfboard?

As long as you want.. 🙂 once you’re locked into the trapeze, you’re basically just using your body weight and making minor adjustments with your legs to steer... you can pretty much let your hands just dangle in the water below you. 🙂

frch said:as much as you want... 🙂 once you're strapped into the harness, you're basically just using your body weight and doing some minor footwork to steer... you can just chill with your hands in the water right below you 🙂

I’ve never actually (successfully) windsurfed—I mean, I tried when I was a kid, and then again a couple more times, but every single time I just ended up face-planting into the ocean. But... Gal Friedman, the absolute legend who's an Olympic gold medalist in Mistral and been world champion for two years running, has this catamaran, a 5.8m beast, just for fun. Windsurfing boards can have insane performance—I've watched Gal tear it up out there—but you're all alone on a board, whereas being on a boat with someone else is way more of a blast. Though, I guess it’s the same deal; tons of people keep "jumping" back and forth between windsurfing and sailing.

Anyway, check out this vessel if you're into technical stuff:
http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/models_trifoiler.html
It definitely has some windsurfing DNA in there (the designer is Randy Reynolds, who totally dominated the sail market back in the 90s).

BTW, sure, you can soak your hands, but can you crack open a cold beer while you're hooked into a harness?
http://flumpmaster.dnsalias.com.91.n...hreeamigos.avi
The clip is a bit chunky (25mb) but totally worth the watch—it's 7 minutes long, featuring a few Aussies who knock back a couple of beers first (while harnessed up!) before playing chicken with a massive tanker... on a Hobie Pacific... That's my kind of crowd 😬

UmpaUmpa said:I’ve never actually managed to successfully wind my way onto a surfboard—not that I ever really mastered the art of staying upright. I tried a few times back when I was just a kid, but let's be honest: every single attempt ended with me face-planting directly into the water.

It might take you a day or two—maybe even longer if things get messy—but you have to stay relentless. You can't just tap out when it gets frustrating. Honestly, once you finally break through and pull it off? That feeling is absolutely phenomenal. It makes every bit of the struggle worth it.

UmpaUmpa said:Look... Gal Friedman—who, let’s be honest, is basically the gold standard when it comes to mastering the mistral and has been sitting on that world champion title for two years straight now—he actually has a catamaran for cruising, a decent 5.8 model. Now, don't get me wrong, a windsurf board can deliver absolutely phenomenal performance once you get moving. I've watched Gal out there on the water, and the guy is a force of nature. But there’s a catch—when you're on a board, you're essentially alone out there. It’s just you against the elements. If you want actual enjoyment—real, social fun—you need a crew. Being out there with someone else is just plain better.

I only really follow competitive windsurfing at the national level—mostly because I actually know a few of the people out there.
Look, it really depends on what you’re actually after... there's this strange, almost overwhelming sense of freedom you get out there—just you, the board, the ocean, and the wind. It hits different. But at the end of the day, nobody really surfs alone. 😉

UmpaUmpa said:Anyway, take a look at this vessel—it’s actually quite a fascinating piece of engineering:
I’ve been staring at this Hobie Trifoiler page for a while now—and believe me, I’ve spent plenty of time doing that—and I can't help but feel we're looking at something truly polarizing. It’s one of those designs that either makes you want to grab a life jacket and head straight for the coast, or makes you want to sit back with a stiff drink and wonder what on earth the engineers were thinking. The concept here is pure adrenaline: hydrofoils. We aren't just talking about skimming the surface anymore; we're talking about lifting the entire hull out of the water to minimize drag. It’s high-stakes, high-reward physics. When those foils catch enough lift, the boat essentially takes flight, turning a standard sailing experience into something more akin to flying a low-altitude jet over the Atlantic. It’s exhilarating, sure, but let’s be honest—it’s also incredibly demanding. You don't just "sail" a trifoiler; you manage a delicate, high-speed balancing act where the margin for error is razor-thin. The design itself—that distinctive three-foil setup—is clearly intended to provide stability during the transition from displacement to foiling mode. It’s an ambitious attempt to solve the "pitching" problem that plagues so many foiling crafts. But even with all that clever geometry, there's no denying the learning curve. This isn't a boat for someone who wants to lazily drift through a bay in Malibu sipping a soda; this is for the pilot who craves speed and doesn't mind a little bit of chaos along the way. Is it practical? For the average weekend sailor, probably not. Is it a masterpiece of modern maritime engineering? That depends entirely on whether you value raw velocity over predictable comfort. Personally, I find the whole thing a bit maddeningly beautiful—much like most things worth doing in life.
There’s a massive influence from the windsurfing world here—specifically because the sail designer is Randy Raynolds. Back in the nineties, he absolutely tore up the market, basically reinventing how sails were designed for boards and leaving everyone else scrambling to catch up.

Sure, you can wash your hands all you want—but let me ask you this: do you think you can actually crack open a beer while hanging from a pull-up bar?
I’ve been digging through some old archives lately—you know how it is, just falling down those digital rabbit holes at 2 AM—and I stumbled upon this file. It's an old video clip titled "threeamigos.avi." Honestly, looking at the file name alone, you can tell exactly what kind of chaotic energy we're dealing with here. It’s one of those relics that feels like it belongs in a dusty corner of a hard drive from a decade ago. Anyway, if you're feeling nostalgic or just want to see some vintage madness, here is the link: http://flumpmaster.dnsalias.com.91.n...hreeamigos.avi
The file size is a bit chunky—about 25MB—but trust me, it’s worth the bandwidth. It’s a seven-minute clip of a few Aussies grabbing a couple of beers on a trapeze before deciding to play a high-stakes game of chicken with a massive tanker... all while sitting on a Hobie Pacific. Honestly? Those are my kind of people. 😬

That concept above is actually pretty compelling—really quite interesting. Usually, when something this novel hits the market, it catches fire almost instantly. I mean, look at kitesurfing; it only took about a year for that to become a legitimate phenomenon.

Even out here in the waters around the Keys, there’s still that unspoken, unspoken rule about who gets to claim the prime real estate—basically, a little competition to see who can pull up closest to the ferry's bow. 😁 The ferry line to Hvar-Vela Luka runs three times a day—it’s basically a game of chicken at this point. And honestly? I haven't heard of anyone losing that bet yet.

Honestly, those sailboats are absolutely top-tier—just for the pure, unadulterated joy of being out on the water. I’ve actually been eyeing this Benetau 6.80 listed for around $17k; it’s pretty stripped-back and Spartan in its setup, which is exactly what I’m looking for. No unnecessary bells and whistles—just a solid boat. If my luck holds out, I might actually manage to snag something like that before I officially hit retirement.🙄

I can't believe I'm even saying this—seriously, I can't! But frch says:
Look, it might take you a day or two—maybe even longer if things get messy—but you’ve just gotta stick with it! You have to be relentless, you know? Seriously, stay persistent. But man, once you finally nail it... that feeling? It is absolutely phenomenal. Pure magic!

I only really follow competitive windsurfing at the national level... mostly just because I happen to know a few of the guys out there!
Look, listen... it really just depends on what you're actually hunting for, you know? It’s this weird, wild sense of freedom—just you, the board, the ocean, and the wind hitting your face—it's incredible. But at the same time, let's be real, nobody ever truly surfs alone. 😉

Yeah, but at the end of the day—you’re still out there flying solo on that board!

frch said:That whole concept above is actually pretty wild... I mean, usually when something new hits the market like that, it just takes off like a rocket—super fast! It’s kind of funny when you think about it, because even kitesurfing took like a solid year just to really find its footing and catch on.

Look, this whole concept has been floating around for nearly a decade now, and honestly? It just hasn't caught fire. It’s way too pricey for what it is, and the physics of it are just... well, they're tricky! To actually get those foils to lift you up, you need a light breeze—we're talking maybe 10 to 15 knots—but if the boat is sitting heavy in the water, you're gonna need at least 20 knots just to feel a thing. Plus, they absolutely struggle when the big swells start rolling in. Nowadays, the big French manufacturers are putting all their energy into hydrofoil tech—and hey, the theory is solid—but it really only works for those short-distance sprints. When it comes to true blue-water cruising or long-haul trips? Classic sailboats still rule the roost. Period.

frch said:It’s honestly still such a thrill out here in the Gulf—everyone’s basically competing to see who can pull up closest to the ferry's stern! 😁 The ferry line to Hvar-Vela Luka runs three times a day—it’s basically like playing chicken out there! Honestly, I haven't heard of anyone getting wrecked yet, though... so far, so good!

It’s bound to happen sooner or later—it's just physics at this point! At my club, we deal with two or three emergencies every single day—usually involving kite surfers who catch a gust, launch themselves a few feet into the air, and then slam flat onto the water on their backs. You can actually hear that sickening *thwack* from a distance. And man, on the really stormy days? They’re practically flying like birds, getting tossed ten meters up into the air... seriously, just check out these photos. I can't believe I'm even looking at this site right now—honestly, my brain is a little fried from all the technical reading I've been doing lately! But hey, check this out: http://www.wind.co.il. It’s one of those deep dives you just stumble upon when you're falling down a rabbit hole of maritime gear and wind tech. Pretty wild stuff if you're into that kind of thing!
So, I was just scrolling through the website for that sailing club where I kept my catamaran—it’s actually a pretty sweet site! They even have a live webcam set up, which is awesome for checking out the conditions from my couch.

frch said:Man, sailboats are just absolute perfection... I mean, strictly for the pure joy of cruising around, right? I actually spotted this Beneteau 6.80 listed for about $17k—it’s super stripped-back and Spartan, which is honestly exactly what I'm looking for. Just enough to get me out there! Fingers crossed I can snag it before I finally hit retirement!🙄

I honestly don't know much about Beneteau—to be real with you, ever since I made the jump to multihulls, I’ve pretty much stopped keeping tabs on monohulls. Once you go black, you never go back, right? If I were in your shoes, especially with your windsurfing background, I’d just hang tight and wait for the F-22 to drop—yeah, that's the one I'm betting on! It's an Ian Farrier design. The "kit sail away" version (meaning you basically assemble it yourself) should be hitting the market around the $18k mark, if the estimates are right. There are so many perks to it—since it's a trimaran, it's incredibly light, so you can just tow it behind a regular SUV. Plus, it only takes like ten minutes to step the mast and get it ready, which saves you a massive amount on docking fees. Performance-wise, it gets way closer to that board-like feel than any monohull ever could, yet you still get as much space as a much larger single-hull boat. And let's be honest, it looks like a Klingon Bird of Prey! From what I've heard—at least regarding the Corsair F-24—these things handle rough storms way better than much bigger monohulls.
Check this out—I was just falling down a rabbit hole looking at the F-22 trimaran specs over at F-Boat, and man, my eyes nearly popped out of my head! Seriously, if you’ve ever spent time dreaming about high-performance sailing, this thing is basically a cheat code. It’s got that crazy lightweight design that makes you feel like you could fly right off the water if you weren't careful—not that I’d recommend testing that theory too hard, haha! The whole setup is just... wow. It’s built for speed, but in a way that feels approachable, you know? Like, it’s not some intimidating, untouchable racing machine, but more like a supercharged version of your weekend cruiser. I was reading through the technical details and thinking about how much fun it would be to take something like this out near San Diego or maybe even cruising up the coast toward Seattle—just pure adrenaline. It really gets me thinking about the balance between stability and that raw, "get-up-and-go" energy. Some people might say it looks a little extreme, but honestly? Life's too short to sail something boring! If you're into that sweet spot where cutting-edge engineering meets actual, usable fun, you definitely need to give this page a look. Just don't blame me when you start checking your bank account and wondering how soon you can make a move on one!
Hey, check this out—I found some clips showing how you actually launch those Farrier trimarans, and honestly? It’s not nearly as complicated as people make it out to be...
http://www.f-boat.com/pages/introduction/videos.html
In my book, you're getting way more boat for your buck here—the price point is pretty solid depending on what the dollar is doing lately—plus, most places won't even bother asking for a permit since they're under 25 feet.

George Morgan3 said:It’s inevitable—sooner or later. At my club, we deal with two or three emergencies every single day—mostly kite surfers who catch a gust, launch themselves a few feet into the air, and slam flat onto the water. You can actually hear the thud. On the really nasty days, they’re flying like birds, catching ten meters of air easy... just check out the footage on http://www.wind.co.il

Look, I watch them and think, "Yeah, that looks cool," but half the time they spend more time prepping to actually surf than actually surfing. And of course, they *have* to have someone trailing behind them to help. Then comes the "fun" part—getting dragged through the channel by the sail and then getting hauled across the 😱 coarse sand and asphalt of the beach. It’s brutal...

George Morgan3 said:I don't know much about that Beneteau, honestly—ever since I moved over to catamarans, I haven't really kept up with the monohulls. Once you go black, you never go back. If I were in your shoes, being a windsurfer and all, I’d just be waiting for the F-22 of boards to hit the market (that's my white whale).

I have to admit, though—when I'm out on a sailboat, I'm doing it strictly for the vibe and the meditation. You know the feeling? Drop the sails, fire up the grill... 😁