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#62 ·
Anonymous said:So I was scrolling through YouTube yesterday, watching some of those slick promo videos for the Moth, and man... just incredible stuff. Seriously top-tier class right there. But it got me thinking—are there actually still people out there sailing in Europe? I recently decided to give it a shot myself and officially gave up on the Laser... honestly, things just feel way better over in Europe
Europe😍 where exactly are you sailing?
#63 ·
Eric Fisher3 said:is coming
So, which boat did you actually pull the trigger on? You planning to get out there and race, or what? Maybe hit up some regattas in Newport this season?
#64 ·
So, what's the actual damage on a Moth? I've seen the photos and videos, and honestly, the thing looks top-tier.
I’m convinced this is the future of sailing.
I’m convinced this is the future of sailing.
#65 ·
Samuel Bennett2 said:So, what's the damage on a Moth? I've seen some photos and videos online, and it looks like an absolute beast of a class.
I honestly think this is the future of modern sailing.
You’re looking at roughly $10,000 for a brand-new Bladerider here in the States or over in Australia. Unfortunately, the guy handling distribution for Europe in the Netherlands is asking closer to €10,000–€11,000.
A couple of weekends ago, I caught up with Rohan in London at the Dinghy Sailing show to get a close look at the Bladerider, and man, the boat is just incredible. 🙂 The whole setup weighs in at about 29.5 kg 🙂 including the mast, sails, foils, rigging, centerboard, and rudder... the design is just spot on.
Rohan is a great guy—really down-to-earth—though he did find it a bit awkward when we insisted on grabbing a photo with him. 🙂 uskoro mnogo detalj u morski prasac.
#66 ·
Samuel Bennett2 said:So, what’s the actual damage when you buy a Moth? I’ve seen the clips online and it looks like an absolute beast of a class.
I honestly think it’s the future of how we sail.
Look, if you're eyeing a brand-new Moth, prepare to empty your wallet; it's a pricey little thing. Like the guy mentioned above, you're looking at roughly $11,000 or so. For a boat that's only about 11 feet long and barely a foot wide, that sounds insane, right? But honestly, once you realize the whole thing is basically a carbon fiber rocket ship capable of speeds most boats can only dream of, the price starts making sense. If you're smart about it, you can snag a decent used one starting around $4,000. At that point, I'd much rather hunt down a used Moth than waste my money on a used Laser. We're actually pushing hard to get the first Moth regatta held here in the States either later this year or next. It's in the works. Cheers.
#67 ·
That price tag is exactly what I expected—this thing is an absolute beast. When you compare it to the cost of other boats like a Laser, a Europe, or a 470, you’re basically getting a hydrofoil for just a little bit more cash. Honestly, though, I bet the price will drop eventually. I’d love to take it out for a spin, but I doubt it’s built to handle heavy swells.
I honestly think it would be cheaper to just build one yourself. I’ve been looking over the blueprints; the design itself isn't the issue, it’s just those damn systems. They're a bit complicated, and I don't quite wrap my head around how they function. I'm not sure if you guys saw it, but there's that "automatic" foil regulator on the main hydrofoil.
I honestly think it would be cheaper to just build one yourself. I’ve been looking over the blueprints; the design itself isn't the issue, it’s just those damn systems. They're a bit complicated, and I don't quite wrap my head around how they function. I'm not sure if you guys saw it, but there's that "automatic" foil regulator on the main hydrofoil.
#68 ·
Samuel Bennett2 said:That price tag is honestly what I’d expect given the sheer beastliness of the thing. When you stack it up against the cost of other boats—like a Laser, an Europe, or a 470—you’re basically getting a high-performance hydrofoil for just a little bit more cash. But mark my words, that price is going to tank eventually. I'd love to take it out for a spin, though I suspect it wasn't exactly designed to handle heavy swells.
I think you're better off just building one yourself; it'd end up being way cheaper. Looking at the blueprints, the design isn't the hard part, it's those damn systems that are driving me crazy because I can't quite wrap my head around how they function. I don't know if you guys caught it, but there's that "automatic" flap regulator on the main hydrofoil.
Regarding the waves, once you actually learn how to sail this thing properly—and I mean *really* master the technique—you'll spend about 90% of your time hovering at least half a foot above the water. Once you hit that stride, the boat handles much like an Europe would.
As for the mechanics, the main foil has this small ring on top (up on the deck), which is connected to a cable, kind of like a clutch cable. That cable runs forward to a primary component that regulates a tiny little flap. When that flap is dragging through the water, the cable pulls on the internal mechanism within the foil to tilt the flap upward to generate lift. Once the boat gets enough lift and levels out, that forward flap straightens up (becoming perpendicular to the surface) to keep the flap steady; otherwise, the whole boat would be constantly slamming back into the water from a meter up. Now, the rudder flap actually has two different ways of being adjusted. First, there's the system that runs through the rudder itself where you adjust the flap by twisting an extension—sort of like turning a throttle on a motor—to tilt it up or down. The second method involves no small flap at all; instead, the entire rudder assembly moves, changing the angle of the entire hydrofoil underwater. You basically rotate the rudder mount to shift the pitch.
I was poking around yesterday, and a decent used Laser goes for about $5,000 to $7,000. For that kind of money, you could snag a top-tier Moth. Obviously, anyone with half a brain knows which one is the better investment :-)). Our Moth should be ready to go soon. As soon as we get it out for testing, I'll let you guys know if the project was actually a success :-))
#69 ·
Samuel Bennett2 said:Honestly, you can't really complain about the price—I mean, this thing is an absolute beast! When you look at what else is out there, like a Laser, a Europa, or a 470... you're basically getting a hydrofoil for just a tiny bit more cash. But hey, I bet the price will drop eventually. Man, I'd love to take this thing out, though I've got a feeling it wasn't exactly built for big, nasty swells.
I'm thinking maybe just building one yourself would be the way to go—probably end up being way cheaper! I've been poking around the blueprints, and while they aren't impossible, those systems are kind of a headache—I don't quite wrap my head around how they all work together. Not sure if you guys caught that part about the "automatic" foil regulator on the main hydrofoil, but it's pretty wild.
If you’ve got that kind of cash burning a hole in your pocket, you could grab a Hobie Fox, which is a much bigger beast altogether. Or, if you want to spend a little less, you can snag a Tiger Woods, which is a slightly smaller beast than the Fox (by about a meter) but still way bigger than a Moth. Plus, over in Europe, there's a super intense F-18 catamaran racing scene (really huge in Italy, too!). With a Moth, you practically have to fly all the way to Australia if you want to find a serious regatta.
Some Canadians out on Lake Balaton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJU9xs7KHo
The French guys doing a bit of surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRvujRFsjY
And if we're talking DIY, there are plans for a Tornado, and that thing sits right up there with the Hobie Fox... plus, you can find free plans for the Tiger Woods online easily enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOh8aY82_J0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peNomggVkGs
You won't find anything wilder than a Tornado—it's a total monster, 6 meters long, 49m^2 of sail, and weighing in at 130kg.
Tornado plans here:
http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules....download&cid=6
#70 ·
Brian Moore67 said:Look, if you're spending the same amount of cash, you might as well get a Hobie Fox, which is a much more serious beast altogether. Or, if you want to spend less, you grab a Hobie Tiger—it’s slightly smaller than the Fox by about a foot, but it still blows a Moth out of the water. Plus, over in Europe, there's already a massive racing scene for F-18 catamarans (they've got a huge following in Italy). If you stick with the Moth, you basically have to fly all the way to Australia just to find a decent regatta.
Canadians at Lake Balaton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmJU9xs7KHo
The French doing a bit of surfing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRvujRFsjY
Now, if you're actually looking to build something yourself, there are blueprints available for a Tornado, which sits right up there with the Hobie Fox in terms of performance. You can also find free plans for the Tiger online.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOh8aY82_J0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peNomggVkGs
And let me tell you, you won't find anything wilder than a Tornado; it's an absolute monster of a boat, 20 feet long, with 49 square meters of sail and weighing in at 130kg.
Tornado plans:
http://www.thebeachcats.com/modules....download&cid=6
You have to realize that the Moth class is just starting to make waves in Europe, though they've already reached a point where they have as many sailors as they do in Australia. The difference is that over there, everything is concentrated in cities like Sydney and Melbourne, making it much easier to organize races. Within a year or two, Europe is going to be flooded with Moths, and I fully expect Italy to build up a powerhouse fleet, especially in the north where the conditions for a Moth are absolutely perfect.
As far as I'm concerned, the main perk of the Moth is that you're sailing solo (which some people hate), it isn't a catamaran, and you can just toss it on your roof. With a Hobie, you're already looking at needing a trailer.
#71 ·
Brandon Mitchell6 said:You’ve gotta realize that the Moth class is just starting to really catch fire over here in the States—though honestly, we’ve already got about as many boats as they have in Australia! It’s just that over there, everyone is basically clustered around Sydney and Melbourne, which makes putting together regattas a total breeze. I’d bet my bottom dollar that in a year or two, the US is going to be absolutely crawling with Moths. And hey, it's totally expected that Italy will build up a solid fleet too, especially up north where the conditions for a Moth are just killer.
In my book, the big win with a Moth is that you’re sailing solo (which, hey, some people might hate, but not me!), it isn't a catamaran, and you can just toss it right on your roof! If you go with a Hobie Fox, you’re already looking at needing a whole trailer.
Look, if you're all about that solo life, you've actually got an awesome Taipan 4.9 sitting right there (I think someone used to give out free plans for the plywood builds back in the day). If you rig it with a jib, it's freaking phenomenal as a duo, but even without one, it can hold its own against an A-class—and yeah, the A-class is technically the fastest solo class, though obviously it's a cat. The downside of cats is the sheer size of them... I mean, you can't even fit a Tornado on a standard trailer without getting pulled over unless you take it apart or spring for one of those fancy tilting trailers.
#72 ·
Brian Moore67 said:If you're looking to sail solo, you've got a killer Taipan 4.9 at your disposal—I remember back in the day, Boyer Fibercraft used to hand out free plans for plywood builds. If you rig it with a jib, it’s phenomenal; even without one, it can hold its own against an A-class, which is technically the fastest solo class out there (since we're talking catamarans). The downside to cats is obviously the sheer size; you can't even get a Tornado on a standard trailer without a special permit because it's too wide, unless you want to dismantle the whole thing or shell out for a tilting trailer.
Look, all those classes are fine, but after everything I've spent time testing, my only real priority right now is raw speed. As it stands, the Moth is my go-to, though I've definitely got an itch to try out a catamaran or something along those lines.
#73 ·
Let’s take a quick look at the various classes available, specifically regarding how well they align with your personal goals, skill level, sailing style, practicality, and overall availability on the market.
First off, let me just say:
The Laser is arguably the perfect starter boat. You can find them at basically every yacht club in the country, they’re incredibly easy to rent, and there is a massive circuit of regattas to jump into. Plus, if you want to learn, you're spoiled for choice with endless books, instructional videos, and coaches available to help you out. My only real gripe is that it feels more like a blunt instrument than a finely tuned racing machine. That said, there's nothing quite like the rush of handling a Laser when the wind picks up and the waves start rolling in.
Over in England, there’s a whole bunch of similar classes that honestly make sailing a lot more exciting than what you get in a Laser—take the Streaker, for example.
If you're looking for something more refined than a Laser and you happen to be carrying a few extra pounds, the Europe is definitely the way to go. 🙂 Most of this applies to the Laser as well.
If you find yourself a bit too heavy for the Laser, the Fin is a solid alternative—though keep in mind there's a new sail option and lower mast section coming out for the Laser soon. Otherwise, if you're part of that crew weighing in over 200 pounds, you might want to look at the Rooster 8.1.
The International Moth is easily the most exhilarating single-hander out there. It’s incredibly lightweight—we're talking just about 66 pounds—which makes it ridiculously practical; you can literally tuck it under your arm and carry it straight into the surf. When the wind hits 15 knots, nothing moves quite like this thing, save for perhaps an A-class catamaran. If you're looking for a boat that actually delivers on pure adrenaline, this is the one. I’m definitely eyeing this for my next season of racing along the coast. 🙂
The only real downside? It’s a total seesaw until you actually learn how to fly. 🙂 It might not be the smartest move for a beginner who hasn't quite mastered the art of reading apparent wind yet. 🙂
When it comes to racing, you have to prioritize raw speed over tactical maneuvering—it’s a completely different game than sailing a Laser. Plus, forget about waves; they just aren't a factor here.
If you're looking for something to toss in the car for a beach day—something scratch-resistant and easy to handle when you just want to mess around during summer vacation—the Laser Pico (and its similar cousins) are the way to go. They’re just simple, straightforward boats.
If you find sitting down boring and have a burning desire to go solo on a trapeze, you should look seriously at the Musto Skiff, the RS700, or the Contender. Of that group, the Musto Skiff is easily the most extreme option.
Two-seaters:
The Tasar is hands down the most straightforward two-person boat you can find, and it’s guaranteed to deliver a massive amount of fun if you aren't looking for an intense, high-performance racing grind. Since there are no trapezes or spinnakers to worry about, you just focus on slicing through the chop and running downwind. It features a rotating mast and is incredibly lightweight at only about 130 pounds, which makes it the perfect setup for a husband-and-wife duo. It's a deeply tactical boat, too. Unfortunately, you won't find many competitive regattas for it here in the States—there just aren't enough boats around to make it happen. 😢 But honestly, once you finally get a chance to wash down a 470, the sense of satisfaction is just massive. 🙂
If you ask me, the Tasar is a far superior choice compared to those various RS double-handers that lack trapezes—the kind you see becoming so popular over in England, like the RS 200 or the 400.
If you’re looking for a serious rush and actually have the athletic chops to back it up, look no further than the 420 or the 470. We’re talking trapezes, spinnakers, and pure adrenaline. If you want to truly master high-performance hiking and tactical sailing, these are easily the best choices for getting started.
If you find yourself a bit too light for the 470, then the 505 is likely your best bet for a two-person boat featuring a single trapeze and a spinnaker. It stays incredibly stable even when the wind picks up, and the speed is just legendary—it’s pure adrenaline. Plus, weighing in at around 220 pounds isn't too much of a struggle on the wire. This class is really starting to take off here in the States. 🙂
If you’re looking to get a lighter crew involved, the 29er and 29xx are absolutely top-tier choices. They offer a level of excitement you just don't find when you're out on a 420 or a 470. That said, be prepared—they are significantly more demanding to sail, especially the 29xx once you start dealing with those two trapezes.
If you consider yourself a gymnast, there’s probably no better two-person boat out there than the 49er—it’s basically like sailing with two parallel high bars. 🙂 It’s an incredibly demanding boat to handle, but man, the sheer level of satisfaction you get from it is unmatched.
Other skiffs on the market include the Cherub, the I14, or even a 12ft skiff if you’re looking for something more extreme and high-adrenaline—though honestly, you'll find yourself pretty much on your own out here in the States.
The fundamental struggle for any skiff—whether you're piloting a 49er or a 12ft model—is managing those heavy swells and high-velocity gusts. It’s not just about technique; you need serious grit, endless hours of practice, and genuine physical stamina if you ever want to head out when the wind starts screaming past 15 or 20 knots. Honestly, I have nothing but massive respect for the crews who tackle skiffs in those conditions!
Catamarans:
The primary advantage of a catamaran is how incredibly easy it is to launch right from the beach. You just set it up on the sand, push off, and then haul it right back onto the shore when you're done. They are absolutely perfect for rental businesses at coastal resorts because they offer massive thrills and pure speed. However, be warned—they can be pretty dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, and getting them from point A to point B via trailer is a logistical headache.
Singlehanders: Stick with an A-class; anything else is just boring.
Doublehanders: There’s a huge variety out there, and your choice really boils down to weight, budget, and how much you care about racing. If you have the itch to compete, the F18 is the gold standard. A Tornado is way too expensive and honestly doesn't offer enough of an upgrade over the F18 to justify the price tag. But if you're just looking to hang out on the beach and catch some wind, any of them will do fine. 🙂
At the end of the day, sailing any of these boats is a blast; it really just comes down to what you want out of the experience and how much effort you're willing to put in. Do you need something you can rig in five minutes and hit the water immediately, or are you okay spending an hour on prep? Can you hoist it onto a roof rack or a trailer by yourself, or are you going to need a hand? And how easily can you right the boat after a capsize? These are the little practical details that actually dictate which boat you end up buying.
Here is what my current lineup looks like:
- Messing around after work on the lake, especially when a thunderstorm rolls in over the city: Laser
- Doublehanded on the ocean: 505 (the rush in heavy wind is indescribable)
- When I'm solo on the coast: Moth (once it arrives), or a Laser for those heavy gusts
- For family outings: Tasar (I'm planning to pick one up used in a year or two)
- For the kids someday: As long as they stay interested, we'll be all set.
Don't get mad if I missed anything. 🙂
The one thing I truly cannot wrap my head around is why the older crowd here doesn't sail smaller boats. Is it just laziness? Is it easier to just sit in the shade with a beer? People still sail big keelboats, so what's the issue? Do they feel like they're losing status if they're out on something under 30 feet?
The cost of small boats definitely isn't the hurdle; people in this country have plenty of money to blow on all sorts of nonsense (not that I want to list everything people waste cash on).
It probably boils down to laziness and the fear of being mocked by the local snobs sitting in air-conditioned bars in the shade.
On top of that, you have to deal with the fact that most yacht clubs just don't understand recreational sailing—basically, if it isn't Olympic-level competition, they don't give it any respect.
First off, let me just say:
The Laser is arguably the perfect starter boat. You can find them at basically every yacht club in the country, they’re incredibly easy to rent, and there is a massive circuit of regattas to jump into. Plus, if you want to learn, you're spoiled for choice with endless books, instructional videos, and coaches available to help you out. My only real gripe is that it feels more like a blunt instrument than a finely tuned racing machine. That said, there's nothing quite like the rush of handling a Laser when the wind picks up and the waves start rolling in.
Over in England, there’s a whole bunch of similar classes that honestly make sailing a lot more exciting than what you get in a Laser—take the Streaker, for example.
If you're looking for something more refined than a Laser and you happen to be carrying a few extra pounds, the Europe is definitely the way to go. 🙂 Most of this applies to the Laser as well.
If you find yourself a bit too heavy for the Laser, the Fin is a solid alternative—though keep in mind there's a new sail option and lower mast section coming out for the Laser soon. Otherwise, if you're part of that crew weighing in over 200 pounds, you might want to look at the Rooster 8.1.
The International Moth is easily the most exhilarating single-hander out there. It’s incredibly lightweight—we're talking just about 66 pounds—which makes it ridiculously practical; you can literally tuck it under your arm and carry it straight into the surf. When the wind hits 15 knots, nothing moves quite like this thing, save for perhaps an A-class catamaran. If you're looking for a boat that actually delivers on pure adrenaline, this is the one. I’m definitely eyeing this for my next season of racing along the coast. 🙂
The only real downside? It’s a total seesaw until you actually learn how to fly. 🙂 It might not be the smartest move for a beginner who hasn't quite mastered the art of reading apparent wind yet. 🙂
When it comes to racing, you have to prioritize raw speed over tactical maneuvering—it’s a completely different game than sailing a Laser. Plus, forget about waves; they just aren't a factor here.
If you're looking for something to toss in the car for a beach day—something scratch-resistant and easy to handle when you just want to mess around during summer vacation—the Laser Pico (and its similar cousins) are the way to go. They’re just simple, straightforward boats.
If you find sitting down boring and have a burning desire to go solo on a trapeze, you should look seriously at the Musto Skiff, the RS700, or the Contender. Of that group, the Musto Skiff is easily the most extreme option.
Two-seaters:
The Tasar is hands down the most straightforward two-person boat you can find, and it’s guaranteed to deliver a massive amount of fun if you aren't looking for an intense, high-performance racing grind. Since there are no trapezes or spinnakers to worry about, you just focus on slicing through the chop and running downwind. It features a rotating mast and is incredibly lightweight at only about 130 pounds, which makes it the perfect setup for a husband-and-wife duo. It's a deeply tactical boat, too. Unfortunately, you won't find many competitive regattas for it here in the States—there just aren't enough boats around to make it happen. 😢 But honestly, once you finally get a chance to wash down a 470, the sense of satisfaction is just massive. 🙂
If you ask me, the Tasar is a far superior choice compared to those various RS double-handers that lack trapezes—the kind you see becoming so popular over in England, like the RS 200 or the 400.
If you’re looking for a serious rush and actually have the athletic chops to back it up, look no further than the 420 or the 470. We’re talking trapezes, spinnakers, and pure adrenaline. If you want to truly master high-performance hiking and tactical sailing, these are easily the best choices for getting started.
If you find yourself a bit too light for the 470, then the 505 is likely your best bet for a two-person boat featuring a single trapeze and a spinnaker. It stays incredibly stable even when the wind picks up, and the speed is just legendary—it’s pure adrenaline. Plus, weighing in at around 220 pounds isn't too much of a struggle on the wire. This class is really starting to take off here in the States. 🙂
If you’re looking to get a lighter crew involved, the 29er and 29xx are absolutely top-tier choices. They offer a level of excitement you just don't find when you're out on a 420 or a 470. That said, be prepared—they are significantly more demanding to sail, especially the 29xx once you start dealing with those two trapezes.
If you consider yourself a gymnast, there’s probably no better two-person boat out there than the 49er—it’s basically like sailing with two parallel high bars. 🙂 It’s an incredibly demanding boat to handle, but man, the sheer level of satisfaction you get from it is unmatched.
Other skiffs on the market include the Cherub, the I14, or even a 12ft skiff if you’re looking for something more extreme and high-adrenaline—though honestly, you'll find yourself pretty much on your own out here in the States.
The fundamental struggle for any skiff—whether you're piloting a 49er or a 12ft model—is managing those heavy swells and high-velocity gusts. It’s not just about technique; you need serious grit, endless hours of practice, and genuine physical stamina if you ever want to head out when the wind starts screaming past 15 or 20 knots. Honestly, I have nothing but massive respect for the crews who tackle skiffs in those conditions!
Catamarans:
The primary advantage of a catamaran is how incredibly easy it is to launch right from the beach. You just set it up on the sand, push off, and then haul it right back onto the shore when you're done. They are absolutely perfect for rental businesses at coastal resorts because they offer massive thrills and pure speed. However, be warned—they can be pretty dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, and getting them from point A to point B via trailer is a logistical headache.
Singlehanders: Stick with an A-class; anything else is just boring.
Doublehanders: There’s a huge variety out there, and your choice really boils down to weight, budget, and how much you care about racing. If you have the itch to compete, the F18 is the gold standard. A Tornado is way too expensive and honestly doesn't offer enough of an upgrade over the F18 to justify the price tag. But if you're just looking to hang out on the beach and catch some wind, any of them will do fine. 🙂
At the end of the day, sailing any of these boats is a blast; it really just comes down to what you want out of the experience and how much effort you're willing to put in. Do you need something you can rig in five minutes and hit the water immediately, or are you okay spending an hour on prep? Can you hoist it onto a roof rack or a trailer by yourself, or are you going to need a hand? And how easily can you right the boat after a capsize? These are the little practical details that actually dictate which boat you end up buying.
Here is what my current lineup looks like:
- Messing around after work on the lake, especially when a thunderstorm rolls in over the city: Laser
- Doublehanded on the ocean: 505 (the rush in heavy wind is indescribable)
- When I'm solo on the coast: Moth (once it arrives), or a Laser for those heavy gusts
- For family outings: Tasar (I'm planning to pick one up used in a year or two)
- For the kids someday: As long as they stay interested, we'll be all set.
Don't get mad if I missed anything. 🙂
The one thing I truly cannot wrap my head around is why the older crowd here doesn't sail smaller boats. Is it just laziness? Is it easier to just sit in the shade with a beer? People still sail big keelboats, so what's the issue? Do they feel like they're losing status if they're out on something under 30 feet?
The cost of small boats definitely isn't the hurdle; people in this country have plenty of money to blow on all sorts of nonsense (not that I want to list everything people waste cash on).
It probably boils down to laziness and the fear of being mocked by the local snobs sitting in air-conditioned bars in the shade.
On top of that, you have to deal with the fact that most yacht clubs just don't understand recreational sailing—basically, if it isn't Olympic-level competition, they don't give it any respect.
#74 ·
casualfox9 said:So, how do you actually fix things when you flip over? It sounds way easier in theory than it is when you're actually upside down in the water, right?
That’s honestly the biggest downside to catamarans—there, I said it! On the bigger ones, if you hit a heavy current, you might find yourself totally stuck without someone coming to pull you out. It’s just a massive pain compared to a monohull. Seriously, trying to maneuver those things is like ten times harder than handling a single-hull boat!
casualfox9 said:I honestly don’t get it—why is it that the older crowd around here just stops racing the small stuff? Is it just pure laziness? Like, is it easier to just sit in the shade with a cold Bud Light and call it a day? Seriously though, why stay exclusively on the big cruisers? What's the deal? Do people feel like they’re somehow losing status if they’re out there pushing a boat under 30 feet?
Honestly, I don't think the price tag on small dinghies is even an issue—I mean, people have way too much cash to blow on a mountain of random nonsense (not that I'm gonna sit here and list all the useless junk people waste money on, haha!).
Look, you can easily snag a Hobie 16 catamaran in decent shape for under $1,000—seriously, easy money. But honestly? Moving up to a small racing boat is a total game changer. You aren't just sitting on top of the water; you’re actually *in* it—feeling every single swell and gust of wind right in your teeth. Plus, most of these little speed demons are way faster than standard cruisers, and sometimes they even give those beefy ocean racing rigs a run for their money! I mean, I just can't help myself—I have to drop this link—but an F-31 will absolutely smoke an Open 60. It really does. I can't believe I'm just now seeing this video! Seriously, my eyes are practically popping out of my head—it’s absolutely wild. You know me, I get easily distracted by shiny things, but this? This is next level. It’s one of those clips that makes you want to jump right through your monitor and get involved, even if I’d probably just end up tripping over my own feet or something. Anyway, I was just scrolling through and stumbled upon this gem, and honestly, I had to stop everything I was doing. It’s got that perfect mix of "wow, look at that" and "wait, how did they even do that?" Just pure, unadulterated awesome. Definitely worth a watch if you need a little pick-me-up today!
So, I was just thinking about the Open 60—man, what kind of mileage can you actually squeeze out of one? Especially when you’ve got a crew of like ten people on board! It’s such a beast of a boat, right? Just wild to imagine that many hands on deck... anyway, just curious what everyone thinks!
Look, you can grab an F-31 for around $150,000—and man, talk about value! It’s a two-person crew setup, which is perfect if you don't want to be babysitting a massive team all day. Plus, the best part? You can just toss the whole thing on a trailer. Seriously! You just pop the mast up, launch it, and you're out on the water in maybe 15 to 30 minutes tops. It's such a game changer because you save a fortune on marina fees and all that constant maintenance headache. Total win!
casualfox9 said:Honestly, it probably just boils down to pure laziness—plus that nagging fear of getting roasted by the local crowdlines sitting around in their lawn chairs in the shade.
The beer hits way harder when you're out on the trapeze than when you're just chilling in the shade—seriously, it’s like a different drink entirely! (Check out this little clip!) I can't believe I'm actually sitting here watching this—it’s honestly kind of wild! —but man, some people just have this insane level of talent that makes you question if they're even human. Seriously though, check this out! It's one of those videos that just hits you right in the feels, you know? Like, you start off thinking it's just another random clip, and then suddenly you're halfway through, totally hooked, and wondering where the last ten minutes went. It’s a total trip! Anyway, I just had to share because my brain is still buzzing from it. Grab some coffee, get comfy, and just... enjoy the ride!
Anyway, speaking of which—if you're working with a tight budget, you can actually find a pretty sweet spot between owning a tiny little dinghy and a full-blown cruiser. It’s all about that compromise! They’re actually about to start selling an F-22 kit (yeah, from the same Ian Farrier guy) for around $18,000. Honestly? If you spend a winter tinkering away in your garage, you end up with this awesome little cruiser that actually fits inside the garage! You can tow it behind a regular car, get it in the water from your trailer in like fifteen minutes flat, or even just launch it right off a beach. Plus, a few buddies could head out and have a blast cruising around the Atlantic.
Check out this page for the F-22—it’s honestly such a wild ride! If you’ve ever looked at the specs for a high-performance trimaran and thought, "Yeah, I want that kind of speed in my life," then you’re definitely looking in the right place. It’s one of those designs that just makes you want to get out on the water immediately, regardless of how much work it might be to rig up. The whole setup looks incredibly sleek, almost like something you'd see flying through the air if it weren't floating—kind of gives me those F-22 fighter jet vibes, you know? Just pure, unadulterated speed. It’s got that perfect balance of being a serious machine while still feeling like something you can actually have fun with. I mean, looking at the way it's built, you can tell it's meant for someone who doesn't mind pushing things to the limit. Honestly, just staring at the layout makes me want to grab a life vest and head straight for the coast!
I’m actually mulling over one specific design right now—man, I’d love to dive in, but honestly? I just don't have the energy to build the whole thing from scratch yet. Plus, those kits aren't even hitting the market quite yet... so for now, I'm just staring at plans! Oh, and just a heads-up regarding that link with the photos—that's definitely not an F-22 in there, it's just some ancient trailer from back in the day.
I’m basically looking for something that feels like a Corsair C-750, just a little more compact—you know, under 23 feet—so I don't have to deal with all those annoying permit headaches in most states. Oh, and it definitely needs a longer cabin!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASY1dshj36A
Honestly, you shouldn't be seeing any slowdown just because of a taller mast—I mean, there are hulls out there way more efficient than the C-750, and let's face it, the C-750 is basically just an F-24 MkII with a different deck setup anyway. The F-22 is like two whole generations ahead of the game! These trimarans... man, they bite into the water and fly just like monohulls, but they stay light and snappy like catamarans. They used to be crazy expensive, but with these newer models hitting the market, that's finally starting to change. Plus, the F-22 should have just as much internal room as the F-24 does. You can check out the F-24 right here: http://www.corsairmarine.com/--pretty cool stuff!
#75 ·
Brandon Mitchell6 said:Honestly, they're all decent classes, but after everything I've tinkered with, my only real goal right now is just pure speed. For me, that’s the Moth—even though part of me is dying to get my hands on a catamaran or something similar.
You can actually rent a Hobie 16 down in Key West.
#76 ·
When it comes to catamarans, this is a dangerous game to play because the price tag is absolutely staggering. 😢
http://www.lightspeedboats.com/
http://www.lightspeedboats.com/
#77 ·
casualfox9 said:Man, catamarans can be a total money pit—seriously, they're way too pricey 😢
http://www.lightspeedboats.com/
I don't know about that! Not really, if you're in an area with a huge used market. I mean, you don't have to buy brand new unless you've just hit the jackpot with the lottery or something. But, okay, fair point—they definitely cost more than a single-hander of the same size.
The stuff in that link? Those are already high-end racing yachts. Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNhcy4WAvyM
The Worrell 1000. It is hands down the most extreme race for small boats out there. Nowadays they run it using Inter 20s—absolute beasts! It's 1,000 miles, heading north from Florida through some seriously nasty weather. Less than 50% of the sailors even make it to the finish line.
#78 ·
By the way, sailing democracy in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWINygISxDE
Check out this clip—you've got windsurfers, kite surfers, open 60 trimarans, open 60 monohulls, massive catamarans, little racing cats, beach cats, and even a trifoilier... all hanging out together, totally democratic, just showing off how beautiful this whole sport really is! 👍
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWINygISxDE
Check out this clip—you've got windsurfers, kite surfers, open 60 trimarans, open 60 monohulls, massive catamarans, little racing cats, beach cats, and even a trifoilier... all hanging out together, totally democratic, just showing off how beautiful this whole sport really is! 👍
#79 ·
Since we're already passing video clips back and forth:
Moth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMo6Exs09VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuSrS...elated&search=
18ft skiff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7kaLWNCnU
A little more action from the 505: 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7LTubYoSBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8qnQlmFsas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfG7W8esERA
Moth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMo6Exs09VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuSrS...elated&search=
18ft skiff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7kaLWNCnU
A little more action from the 505: 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7LTubYoSBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8qnQlmFsas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfG7W8esERA
#80 ·
Brian Moore67 said:By the way, let’s talk about "sailing democracy":
I’ve been looking over this footage, and honestly, it really hits home how much the technical side of the sport evolves. You watch these sailors battle through the elements, and you realize that even the most seasoned pros are constantly being pushed by new gear and shifting conditions. It’s one thing to talk about the theory behind a racing line or how to handle a swell, but seeing it play out on the water—especially when things get heavy—is a whole different beast. It makes you think about the sheer grit required to stay focused when everything around you is in motion.
Take a look at this footage. You’ve got windsurfers, kitesurfers, Open 60 trimarans, Open 60 monohulls, maxi catamarans, small racing catamarans, beach cats, and even a Trifolier—all out there together. It's a total democracy on the water, truly demonstrating the pure beauty of the sport. 👍
That was an incredible video!
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