Peter Stewart6 said:All those complaints and grievances don't serve any purpose, other than being good hand exercise for your muscles. 🙂 Honestly, there's no point in stressing over someone else's wrongdoing; better to just step away. 😁 If you want to read about "establishing fairness and justice," check out the Miscellaneous section under the Moderator Corner, which is open to us regular forum users, dating back to 2004. For instance, look up the topic List for... part 3, and so on. 🙄 Once I read it, I wondered why we should even bother writing more, whether in the complaint book pdf religion or the complaint book? 🤦 Something, 🙄 well, has changed. Yeah, right. ☕ If I had seen that sooner, I would have saved myself time, nerves, and even some cash. 🥳
Best,
by Wild. 👋
In the specific thread mentioned ("List for... part 3"), there wasn't any mention of the Religion pdf, nor did any of the moderators from the Religion section post anything there. 🙂 Best regards,
Susan Brooks83 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYEGbG3974 😂
Number 6 definitely stirred something in me. Thanks! 🙂
Good Agnel, if I may say so, you’ve actually hit the nail on the head regarding this issue by mentioning those "unhinged cultists."
Susan Brooks83 said:"Now some of the cults will start acting up, though they already are"
I suppose I'll try to explain. It isn't possible for someone to hold more status or be better protected than us moderators—or conversely, to have less protection—just because you've labeled them a "cultist." Our forum guidelines don't recognize religious groups or cults. Everyone belongs to a faith community here, and everyone is treated equally. No one is a cultist. Perhaps they might be considered cultists within your specific church, but they aren't according to our forum rules. Honestly, "cult" is such an ugly, uncivilized term, born from the need for conflict during the dark ages. It was used quite liberally during the Inquisition. However, in a modern democracy, every opinion carries weight, whether it represents a million followers or just a thousand. I think my colleague Veronika N. pointed out the error you're making through your own posts—you seem to be "settling scores" with people as if they are cultists by default. Liep regards once again. See you over in the Religion section. 🙂 rowdyhawk10
P.S. I suggest we lock this thread if you all agree.
Susan Brooks83 said:Where exactly are you getting the idea that I'm being "dear"? 🤷
Well, you're right. And I suppose you know that just as well as I do. 🙂 I just wanted to explain the process, but I guess things got a bit carried away. I'm signing off now. I suppose I'll see you over on the Religion board. Best regards. 👋
P.S. I really enjoyed those links, thanks! (Good old surrealists.) 🤣
WE 1. In my opinion, none of the posts you think deserve a strike actually warrant one. Perhaps some of the other moderators might feel differently, but those posts weren't even reported (using the red triangle icon) like I suggested they should be.
ruggedeagle10 said:I would have preferred to file this complaint strictly within the specific thread dedicated to warnings, but since I am required to provide supporting examples of other posts that logically warrant similar disciplinary action under the same reasoning, I felt compelled to open a new thread entirely. It is important that we adhere strictly to the forum rules and maintain proper procedure.
It seems to me that moderator rowdyhawk10 is losing his grip on things again. It’s glaringly obvious that he’s being driven by outside influences in his moderation decisions, as he fails to realize that for whatever reason he decided to issue me a warning, he could have easily handed out several more to others in that same thread—including himself. But no, apparently all it took were two specific words from my post for him to interpret it as "diving into" psychoanalysis, while several sentences in other posts go completely unpunished. Is consistency such a foreign concept?
First, let me present my post—one that honestly deserves a red card because of this amateurish attempt at "psychoanalysis." I have been following this thread for some time now, and I find myself increasingly skeptical of the direction this conversation is taking. Is it truly possible that we are all overlooking the most obvious conclusion simply because it doesn't fit our preconceived notions of how society should function? It seems to me that many participants here are operating under the assumption that truth is a matter of consensus rather than objective reality. But isn't that the fundamental flaw in modern discourse? We seek validation from our peers instead of seeking the facts themselves. I noticed what @rowdyhawk10 mentioned earlier regarding the influence of certain historical narratives. It brings up an interesting point: how much of what we consider "common sense" is actually just a carefully curated set of ideas handed down through generations? If we don't question the origin of these ideas, are we even thinking for ourselves, or are we merely echoing the sentiments of those who came before us? Furthermore, looking at the arguments presented by Peter Stewart6, one has to wonder if we are even speaking the same language anymore. There is a profound disconnect between the analytical approach and the purely emotional reactions being thrown around. Can a meaningful debate ever occur when one side refuses to acknowledge the premises of the other? Ultimately, I suspect we are all just circling the drain of our own biases. Perhaps it is time to step back and ask: if we stripped away all our cultural conditioning and social pressures, what would actually remain of our convictions? Or would we find that they were nothing more than shadows cast by others?
Evo post I have been following this thread for some time now, and I find myself increasingly weary of the repetitive nature of these arguments. Is it truly necessary to circle back to the same tired grievances every single time a new topic arises? It seems we are trapped in a cycle where the same voices shout the same slogans, hoping for a different result, yet achieving nothing but further fragmentation. One cannot help but notice how certain individuals, like ruggedeagle10, seem to take a peculiar pleasure in dredging up old debates that have long since lost their relevance. Does anyone actually believe that revisiting these historical grievances will somehow reshape our current reality? Or is it merely a way to pass the time while feeling morally superior to one's neighbor? It strikes me as profoundly cynical to watch people weaponize identity and belief systems just to score points in a digital arena. We see it constantly—people using religion as a shield or a sword, rather than a source of genuine reflection. When did we decide that being right was more important than being reasonable? I look at the way discussions unfold here, and I am reminded of the chaos one might find in the most unregulated corners of the Wild West. There is a lack of discipline, a refusal to adhere to any semblance of decorum, and a desperate need for attention that borders on the pathological. If we cannot maintain even a basic level of civility, what hope is there for meaningful discourse? Perhaps it is time to ask ourselves: are we participating in a conversation, or are we simply performing for an audience of our own making? If the goal is understanding, then the current trajectory is a failure. If the goal is merely to vent frustration, then I suppose we are all succeeding quite brilliantly. To ensure you don't get lost in the trolling or the psychoanalysis—which I’ve tucked at the end of this post—I wanted to address the fact that yet another forum member has been allowed to engage in a debate without facing any sanctions. It seems my simple response, consisting of little more than two words—"YOU DON'T WANT TO"—was somehow interpreted as an invitation to dive into deep psychoanalysis. But apparently, our friend rowdyhawk10 is missing the point entirely. And, of course, here is one more post for the record. I find myself wondering if we have truly grasped the gravity of what is being discussed here. Is it possible that we are all simply drifting through these debates without a compass? It seems to me that when we discuss matters of faith and the fundamental structures of our society, we often lose sight of the underlying tensions that define us. We speak of things like the relationship between organized religion and the individual, yet how many of us actually stop to consider the weight of those traditions on the modern American psyche? We argue over interpretations of Christ's teachings or the nuances of Judaism, but are we really seeking truth, or are we just looking for a way to validate our own existing biases? It feels as though we are circling the same drain, repeating the same tired arguments about the role of the church in a secularized nation. Does anyone actually believe that these ancient frameworks can seamlessly integrate with the rapid, often chaotic evolution of American life? Or are we merely clinging to the wreckage of old certainties because the alternative—a world without these traditional anchors—is too daunting to contemplate? One has to ask: are we debating ideas, or are we merely defending our own sense of identity? It’s the same issue all over again, yet somehow, there are still no sanctions in place. Why does this pattern continue to repeat itself without any real consequences?
Here is one post from before I enrolled. I find myself returning to this particular thread, wondering if we ever truly progress or if we are simply circling the same drain of human error. Looking back at the arguments presented here, one has to ask: are we actually engaging in a meaningful dialogue, or are we just shouting into an endless void of ego and misplaced certainty? It seems that whenever we attempt to peel back the layers of these complex social and spiritual tensions, we inevitably stumble into the same old pitfalls. We dissect everything—religion, history, politics—as if having more information somehow grants us more wisdom. But does it? Or does it just provide us with sharper weapons to use against one another? There is a certain weariness that sets in when you realize how repetitive these cycles are. We argue about the same fundamental truths, using different labels, yet arriving at the same exhausted conclusions. Is there any real substance left in these debates, or have we reached a point where we are merely performing for an audience of our own making? It feels less like a search for truth and more like a desperate attempt to be "right" in a world that stopped caring about being right a long time ago. (Everything on the same topic) Who was handed nothing more than a yellow card as a warning for trolling far more aggressively than I did? This serves merely as an example of the inconsistent criteria at play. I opened this entire thread to highlight the lack of clarity regarding why someone receives a yellow card for an obvious violation while another person gets a red card for something trivial.
And here is yet another post from rowdyhawk10 on this same topic. I find myself once again staring at the endless cycle of debate on these boards, wondering if we ever actually progress or if we are simply circling the drain of our own biases. Is there any real substance left in these discussions, or have we all just become experts at shouting into the void? Looking back at what was said previously, it seems we are stuck in the same repetitive loop. Why does it feel like every argument eventually devolves into the same tired tropes? We pretend to seek truth, yet we cling to our preconceived notions like lifelines in a storm. It’s a wearying spectacle to witness. One has to wonder: at what point does the noise become too much to bear? Are we seeking understanding, or are we merely looking for validation of our own narrow perspectives? It feels as though the more we talk, the less we actually communicate. It’s a profound irony, isn't it? To be so connected and yet so fundamentally isolated in our thoughts.
So, you’re sitting here telling rowdyhawk10 that he's "preemptively rejecting" something, but how can you possibly claim to know his internal state? You don't actually know if he's rejecting it or not. You're essentially performing psychoanalysis on him, using far more words than I did when I simply stated "HE DOESN'T WANT TO" in my post. Furthermore, you aren't issuing yourself a warning from the complaint book like you so readily do to everyone else... how exactly does that logic work? Could someone please explain that to me?
Since you aren't permitted to issue yourself a penalty, why didn't you reach out to an administrator to have one applied following that little psychoanalysis session you conducted? If the rules of this forum are truly sacred to you—if everything must be executed with such meticulous precision—then why the oversight, @rowdyhawk10? Where did this lapse in judgment come from?
Here is my formal complaint regarding the top thread on religion. I find myself returning to this particular thread quite often, mostly because the level of discourse here seems to fluctuate between profound insight and absolute nonsense. It makes one wonder: at what point did we lose the ability to engage in a coherent debate without immediately resorting to insults? Looking back at what was said, I can't help but feel a sense of weary cynicism. We see the same patterns repeating themselves—the same arguments, the same biases, and the same refusal to acknowledge any perspective that doesn't align with one's own preconceived notions. Is it even possible to have a productive conversation anymore, or are we all just shouting into a void, hoping our echo sounds more authoritative than it actually is? It’s a strange phenomenon, isn't it? We have access to more information than any generation in history, yet somehow, the quality of our reasoning seems to be in steady decline. We cling to our little ideological bubbles like they are fortresses, terrified that a single challenging question might bring the whole structure crumbling down. I suppose that's just the nature of things now. People prefer the comfort of a familiar lie over the discomfort of an inconvenient truth. One has to ask oneself: if we cannot agree on basic facts, how can we ever hope to navigate the complexities of the world around us? It feels as though we are merely circling the drain, waiting for the inevitable moment when the pretense of civility finally gives way to total chaos. And this is Eminem's response. I have been reflecting on the nature of faith and how people tend to weaponize their beliefs when they feel cornered. It seems that whenever a discussion touches upon the core tenets of a specific religion, the conversation immediately devolves from intellectual inquiry into a defensive skirmish. Is it possible that we have lost the ability to discuss the divine without making it an indictment of our own character? Take, for instance, the way certain individuals react when someone dares to question the historical or logical foundations of their creed. Instead of engaging with the argument, they retreat into a shell of moral superiority. They act as if questioning a doctrine is synonymous with attacking the person holding it. Isn't that a bit much? It’s a tired tactic—relying on the sanctity of the subject matter to shield oneself from legitimate scrutiny. We see this pattern repeated constantly. One person poses a question, and before they can even finish their thought, they are met with accusations of being an atheist or lacking respect. Why must everything be framed as a battle between the righteous and the godless? Can we not simply sit at a table and weigh ideas against one another without someone feeling the need to reach for a metaphorical pitchfork? It brings to mind the old saying about how people behave when they are out of their depth. When the logic fails, the emotion takes over. And once the emotion is in the driver's seat, the actual truth becomes secondary to the preservation of one's ego. We aren't just discussing theology here; we are observing a fundamental flaw in how modern Americans approach disagreement. If we cannot handle a difference of opinion regarding Jesus or any other figure of worship without turning it into a personal crusade, then perhaps we aren't actually seeking truth at all. Perhaps we are just seeking validation.
If expressing my opinion—which is a right I fully intend to exercise—is suddenly labeled as "writing nonsense," then we have a serious issue here. If I provide a logical explanation to back up my stance and that is dismissed as trolling or a violation of the forum rules, then you might as well just ban the entire complaint book PDF or shut down this whole forum immediately. Why? Because, in my view, absolutely everyone else has used those exact same tactics without facing a single consequence. It seems the rules are applied selectively, which is nothing short of hypocritical. So, let's get to the heart of the matter: if the only thing "wrong" with my post was the two-word phrase "you don't want," then why am I the one being handed a red card?
So, here we have yet another glimpse into the flawless state of integrity, consistency, and justice governing the religion complaint book whenever our moderator, rowdyhawk10, decides to get to work. Just take a look at this. Tell me, rowdyhawk10, how exactly do you explain these phenomena occurring under your supposedly perfect moderation of the religion complaint book?
We are all intimately familiar with rowdyhawk10's blatant intolerance toward Christianity—anyone who has ever had the misfortune of witnessing his behavior can attest to it. I am standing here today to accuse him directly, just as I and many others have done on numerous occasions before, that this specific bias is the root cause behind much of his catastrophic moderation. Is it not obvious? Is it not the most logical explanation for such glaring unprofessionalism and blatant partiality in how he manages this space? I challenge you to try and talk me out of this conclusion. Go ahead—try to provide any other reasonable explanation for such an evident lack of objectivity in his moderation!
Greetings,
2. I wasn't psychoanalyzing Jacob. Especially not with phrases like "you're writing nonsense because...". On the contrary, I had a pleasant dialogue with him, both of us showing mutual respect. Furthermore, Jacob hasn't expressed any grievance about being psychoanalyzed. Quite the opposite, I suspect he doesn't hold any resentment toward me and finds me to be a decent interlocutor... which seems evident from his replies to me. He is welcome to chime in here if he feels otherwise.
3. Regarding the rest of the accusations in the opening post (concerning your strike), I responded to you first via private message, and subsequently within the complaint book thread. Best,
Dear Susan Brooks83, The accusation that I am "mocking RCC rituals" says more about you than it does about me. My intention with that link wasn't to make light of anything; rather, I was pointing out that you seem unable to respect the basic principles of this forum because of your own personal biases. For instance, if someone expresses a negative opinion regarding Zlatko Judge, you immediately label it an attack, an incitement of hatred, or the spread of interreligious intolerance... which is exactly how you viewed my comments on the RCC rituals above. But it isn't mockery. It's just that perhaps you aren't used to liberal forums of this nature. You might find yourself much more comfortable in a space like www.catholics.org, where everyone shares the exact same views, shows maximum deference to one another, rejoices over grand truths, and thanks God for being gathered in such a beautiful place. That is precisely why I shared the link to the video above—considering how you have always handled forum discussions and the open clashing of opinions, where there are no "untouchables" (no protected religions, dogmas, or churches). Any topic involving a critical view of the RCC becomes, in your eyes, a pretext to accuse others of hate speech, cite the rules, or threaten with warnings... (and you are doing it in the exact same way now by claiming I am mocking the faith). At best, these have been accusations of being off-topic, spamming, or simply making an indecent post. Just recall how many times I have explained to you why, on THIS forum, those things don't constitute hate speech or an attack on the church. That might hold water on a specialized RCC forum, but this isn't one. Therefore, you can't act this way here. More examples of these misunderstandings were pointed out to you here by Veronika N. You are dear to us, but you really must respect the liberal standards of this forum. Best regards, rowdyhawk10
Greetings everyone Without getting bogged into the specifics of the current issue, I want to draw attention to one vital point that seems to be overlooked from the jump. Over in our Religion subforum, we have the Book of Complaints, which stays pinned at the very top. That thread exists specifically so people don't just vent directly here on this public subforum. First off, dear Susan Brooks83, you didn't actually post in that thread to seek a direct answer from the moderators regarding this matter. 🙂 Furthermore, the forum rules clearly state that before making a public complaint, you should first reach out to a moderator via private message to ask for an explanation. This is what the administration asks of every single member. You only turn to the Book of Complaints if a moderator ignores you and refuses to respond. And then, if even the six of us—who collectively moderate the Religion subforum—ignore you there, only then should you come to this main board to tell the admins that we moderators are persecuting you. I just wanted to clarify the proper procedure. This forum has nearly 100,000 members; imagine the chaos if a new thread was opened here for every single grievance. I hope you agree with my reasoning. I’m sure you are all interested in following the established procedures and rules. 🙂
In my view, Veronica N. shouldn't have even spoken up here after the Book of Complaints was bypassed. She really should have just directed you to address it there first, as that is the protocol. 🤷 It was kind of her to step in, though; I’m convinced she did it simply to point out some procedural lapses and prevent future friction... all in the interest of helping you settle into the forum atmosphere, rather than any attempt by us to persecute you. 🙂
Best regards, rowdyhawk13
________ P.S. Regarding the accusation that hate speech is being directed toward a certain faith—specifically the Roman Catholic Church—by ideologically challenging it... I have explained this many times: this is a liberal forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. One cannot complain if someone writes, "Jesus didn't exist," and call it spreading hate or attacking the RCC; one can simply advise a dissenter to "take that up with the bishop."
Finally, I want to point out that moderators are human beings with their own philosophical, religious, and personal views. If they are expressing their beliefs honestly—that is, precisely as they believe and think to be true (and the title here does mention honesty)—then it might be considered somewhat dishonest for moderators to write things they do not truly believe.
I wouldn't want to be the reason the forum crashes, but I've noticed a pattern: whenever I attempt to merge two threads, the whole site goes down for a few minutes. 😕 I'm not entirely sure why this keeps happening. 🤷
Right.. 🙄 and after national upheavals we saw those sudden, blunt shifts in power, followed shortly by much milder political turnovers... and now, finally, we have these social media driven movements too.. 🤷
Regarding serious discussions within the "religion" subforum, our initial approach is to issue a yellow card with the note "Emoji spamming". We will also send a private message requesting that they refrain from doing so, followed by monitoring their activity over the next few days. If the same user continues to flood posts with emojis, we first issue a 10-point red card for the reason "Emoji spamming". Should this behavior become persistent, we then move to a 100-point penalty and a 3-day suspension under the reason "Frequent emoji spamming". If a member ignores our requests and continues to disrupt the order of the board, these measures are applied accordingly. However, most people tend to stop once they realize it isn't acceptable.
Andrew Chase31 said:I just managed to log back onto the forum after being away for a few days due to some commitments, and I happened to glance at Radin's private messages. Honestly, I can hardly believe what I'm seeing.
And they were using the private messages for this, were they? 🙄
Joshua Brown7 said:I just stumbled upon this thread. Please, let's try not to fight.
🙄 You see, you only just noticed the thread, yet Radet mentioned you in his opening post as someone who agrees with the insults directed at me, such as:
Sam Taylor4 said:This seems like yet another sneaky attempt—perhaps in the spirit of Ramadan?—to shut down a high-quality discussion.
Sam Taylor4 said:Radet Kumitkat, on his own behalf and on behalf of the following members: The atheist, Joshua Brown7, Austin Diaz2, Noah King2, bartender Jitrro;
You didn't actually say whether you approved or disagreed with him, nor did you address his mocking comments about my faith and those malicious insinuations. Generally speaking, nobody here fights. Regards.
Noah King2 said:You’re being quite ridiculous. Words without substance are meaningless! And yours are nothing more than plain old demagoguery!
Dear Noah King2, What I've laid out here is a concrete piece of work. I put in the effort to explain exactly where the issue lies. I actually have respect for you, and my criticism wasn't directed at you personally; I just felt that when you were critiquing me, you might not have fully grasped the core of the matter. With the linked post, I believe the context is finally clear, and everything stated within it is accurate (exactly as I've described and provided links for). It is now up to you how you choose to interpret my intent. Please look over that post and verify the links I've provided, then feel free to think whatever you like. Best, ___
With that, I suppose I am finished with this topic. If anyone wishes to dispute anything I have written here or here, I will be happy to read it. Regards to all.
I provided a clear explanation here regarding why the thread was closed:
To reiterate once more: I have no issue with any particular user on this forum, nor does any specific ideology bother me. I would have taken the same action regardless of the ideology involved, which is something I have done previously (I've stepped in to stop blogging before). To repeat what I stated there: the insinuations about my faith and my alleged "frustrations" are nonsense and don't affect me in the slightest. In fact, I might suggest the accusation is actually reversed—that they are the ones harboring resentment and intolerance, rather than me. My goal is simply to uphold the forum rules and act as a moderator who treats everyone equally, ensuring that no one considers themselves above the law (or, in this case, the rules). It seems the loud minority here wants exactly the opposite: special privileges, and naturally, they want those privileges for themselves.
Aggressively and rudely flouting the forum rules, stifling the community spirit through excessive blogging, and then following it up with a collective outcry—these are things I've never particularly cared for, so nothing is going to change here. Simply put, there will be no blogging, and everyone will just have to get used to it.
I find the decision to launch a thread like this directly within the "Religion" subforum to be somewhat brazen, perhaps even a bit coercive. I suppose it’s worth noting that all protesters—especially those starting threads—should already be aware that grievance-based topics aren't meant for this section; they belong in the specific forum designated for such matters. Consequently, I am closing this thread and moving it over to the "Feedback and Suggestions" section, where the admins can choose to reopen it if they see fit.
feralpilot0, I have already explained my stance regarding the unsightly "Worst Biblical Quotes" thread in several places:
* First, here.
* Then, regarding what Christian Torres3 mentioned, please look here; check my post (no. 2) specifically at points 1 and 3, which are relevant to your question.
* And finally, my complete post (no. 6) within that same thread.
* As for this specific comment of yours, I certainly appreciate your desire for more peace and tolerance, but I wonder how that would be perceived by a broader audience if we were to defend such topics? You and I might be believers, but not everyone is! What, then, would those who believe such topics shouldn't be restricted say? We simply cannot defend these subjects, because doing so would mean we’d have to ban every topic where any Holy Scripture, any religion, or any religious founder is criticized. We would end up closing or restricting so many threads that the scope of dialogue would become incredibly narrow, burdened by the feeling that this site had turned into a mosque or a church where those faiths can never be questioned. In such a setup, religions would only ever receive applause. 🤷 Atheists, agnostics, and anyone who opposes a particular religion for their own reasons would feel deprived of their freedom to express their philosophical or religious views. Furthermore, Muslims wouldn't be allowed to criticize anything Christian or from other faiths, nor could Christians speak negatively about Islam or anything else, nor would anyone be permitted to write about another's beliefs... The site would essentially turn into a "mess" where we just send each other pictures of beautiful mosques and lovely cathedrals, singing nice verses from the Bible/Quran to one another (but nothing ugly, under any circumstances!!! 😍). Therefore, the site guarantees freedom of expression for its members, which is our fundamental credo. The manner in which that freedom is exercised (or how it must not be abused) is governed by the rules of the Religion subforum. Anyone is welcome to object if they feel a rule is unjust. But for now, it stands, and it is the law of this site. 🤷
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Regarding No Nick, Radeta, and the "ugliest biblical quotes" thread... let me add this. Radeta was being fair in that thread; most of the Biblical quotes, such as "it is a glorious thing to split the bellies of children", he attempted to explain in a decent manner. For instance, he provided an exceptionally sound justification—which I personally agree with—that these were times of war, that the threat of extinction loomed over the Jewish people, and that a state of combat readiness was, in some hands, absolutely necessary for the survival of a nation arriving in a new land. His only issue was when he drifted off-topic, such as when he started discussing Buddhism, which is considered off-topic. On the other hand, No Nick didn't attempt to defend a single part of it the way Radeta did; instead, he just kept dropping quotes along with his little interjections like, "Here is another ugly quote—fools mock"—effectively spamming the thread with the intent to derail it and prevent a healthy, dignified discussion of an extremely important epoch in human history: the exodus from Egypt and the arrival in the promised land (which would have justified much of the Bible).
To make it clearer for you, dear feralpilot0, imagine this scenario: Someone opens a thread titled "Ugliest Quranic Verses," and someone posts a verse like this:
2:191. And fight them wherever you find them and expel them from where they have expelled you. And fitnah [persecution] is worse than killing! And do not fight them at the Sacred Sanctuary, while they do not fight you. But if they fight you, then kill them!—let that be the penalty for the disbelievers.
It wouldn't be an issue if a Muslim were to explain the context of a verse—how it’s tied to a specific era or a crisis—the way Radeta correctly did above. But instead, imagine if that same Muslim posted on this thread: "Here is another ugly verse from the Quran: those who mock Islam are fools" (which is essentially what No Nick was doing mockingly). If they did that, that person would deserve the exact same treatment that No Nick and the rest of us received; I maintain that position firmly.
There seems to be an unwritten "rule"... whenever a topic becomes controversial, there are always a few people who refuse to engage in a civil conversation because they fear some terrible secret about their "Truth" might be uncovered... and in doing so, they act directly against their own faith. This isn't just true for Christians, but for many others as well. That's why we prevent these kinds of things regardless of the subject matter or which forum member is involved, because it's simply spam. No Nick was spamming the thread. We would be biased if we defended similar threads regarding Islam, atheism, or Buddhism while allowing those about Christianity to slide. That would be inhumane on our part, and I am sincerely sorry if anyone thought we were profiling people based on their beliefs... or tolerating one group while banning another. That would truly be unsightly, inhuman, and heavy-handed on our end. So far, Mostly, Nicole James, and I have never had doubts in that regard; even though our beliefs differ, we follow a concrete modus operandi when measuring situations and deciding on sanctions. For instance, whenever I make a decision, I think: what would Nicole James or Mostly say? I then weigh the presumed consensus alongside my own view... 😁 though we don't have time to consult everyone individually before every single ban. Generally, we have never intended to favor one group over another... yet that is precisely what we are being accused of here: that Nicole James is biased because she's part of the DIO association, or that I am biased because I am Muslim... but if anything is the truth (which I admitted openly to steelskipper5 earlier), our only bias has been toward Christians, out of respect for them as the majority, ensuring they don't feel marginalized (the other reasons are in the post I wrote to steelskipper5). He, for example, lost his cool and took it out on us because we are—and I emphasize some—lenient with Christians.
One thing is certain, feralpilot0: you can never please everyone in this world! If you ever become a moderator, you'll see how much people complain. There will always be dissatisfied voices, which is why we have this separate Religion PDF to ensure everything is discussed peacefully and every critique carries weight, provided it is argued and linked properly. None of the admins are blind to the concerns of those who care, but it all needs to unfold gradually and calmly. First, through clear arguments, rather than accusations of conspiracies or claims that the moderators hate a certain faith or its believers. We've seen people write about us here in an incredibly inhumane way, treating us like criminals or even degenerates...
That's all from me for now, best regards, rowdyhawk10
I just wanted to mention that I’ve been dealing with an unbearable lack of time lately, so I haven't been able to keep up with my replies. I expect to be just as preoccupied over the next two days, too. That said, I’ll try to find whatever moments I can to catch up on what I've missed (I'm particularly interested in feralpilot0's response, though I'll be looking at everyone else's as well).
feralpilot0 said:Don't get me wrong—I'm not saying I support rowdyhawk10's actions—let me be crystal clear about that. When it comes to moderating Christian themes, rowdyhawk10, you are being EXTREMELY biased. It's something you really need to face up to.
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Thanks in advance for clarifying things and providing a concrete example—links included, naturally—along with that brief analysis and proof. That’s it, really; just a few sentences.
Anyone else could probably write the same thing, really. I'm not asking for some massive list of fifty different links, fifty examples, or fifty separate histories—I just need one single, specific, and obviously correct example. I'm more than willing to take everything into consideration.
Christian Gomez2 said:I wouldn't say I was punished with a warning when I hadn't even written a couple of posts.
Let's set faith aside and ignore who belongs to what group. Let's look at a simple comparison. If someone starts a thread asking what river flows under the bridge in New York City. And I write Hudson, that is an answer. Then someone like rowdyhawk10 deletes my post and gives me a warning because it's off-topic. The thread continues, but for those who write Hudson their posts are deleted. I provided a direct answer to the topic and the question within it.🤷That is a fact, and whether the post was deleted maliciously or due to ignorance of the subject matter is not for me to judge.
If someone were to start a thread like this on the Religion board—asking a question like that—we’d probably just move the whole thing over to Geography or Travel. We'll find a place where it actually belongs.
If someone posts something like, "What are the principles of mercy in Buddhism?" under a thread specifically about a different topic, that question is off-topic. You shouldn't bother answering it—even if the moderators haven't had a chance to delete it yet—because by responding, you're just adding more off-topic content to the thread. Instead, just report it as off-topic by clicking the red triangle icon.
coastalbison6 said:I honestly don't get why you even bothered apologizing. 😕
At least you realize this guy 1) is pretty limited and probably won't grasp the point of your apology at all 2) ...but is still twisted enough to weaponize it against you 3) and that the only real fix is to kick him off the Religion PDF entirely
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No, I simply pointed out that, based on the circumstances, I had my doubts about how sincere her apology actually was, which turned out to be the case in the end. Hello. With the right approach. In the past, there was an apology followed by a repeat of the same behavior, which only serves to make the apology feel hollow. 😉
What you mentioned under point one—that’s just plain offensive. How would you feel if a moderator said something like that to a member? 🙄