Posts by placidsurfer9

redheron12 said:Let's see how Sopekica holds up now... she just keeps getting better with every single race 🙂

👍 total little kitten 😁

Boring race, honestly. I guess Lewis played it smart though, maybe he was just saving rubber for the pit stop... Kimi was looking killer, total shame we didn't see him actually lunging at Chemist... which basically means Lewis had everything totally under control. And man, look at what Schumi does 🙂 those two Germans kind of teamed up, Schumacher and Alzheimer 😁

Look at how he’s cutting those chicanes 🙂 I just don't get why the rest of the drivers aren't taking advantage of that line more often... Props to Michael Schumacher though... what an absolute legend 🙂 this is gonna be interesting

Jason Campbell70 said:I think it’s pretty obvious that today's F1 cars are way faster than they used to be, especially when it comes to "holding the line." Even if it's pouring rain.

So, look, we have faster (and therefore better) cars, but unlike those slower cars from back in the day, today's rides don't go off track for all sorts of "reasons."

I mean, obviously, I'm totally down to share my take and prove it by comparing lap times from then vs. now, but I just don't have the data right in front of me at the moment.

Of course they're faster! Sure, when it's wet, but show me the aquaplaning from back then versus now! Like, when there's a literal lake on the track... and hey, I already said I agree that driving in the wet was definitely harder back then... shifting gears, the steering... the whole damn thing...

Jason Campbell70 said:So modern cars don't have more advanced suspension (and ultimately way more efficient ones) in terms of design or execution?

Well, obviously, if we're choosing to ignore how Williams had active suspension like 20 years ago. I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole too, I guess.

And yeah, thanks a million, Vox fixed the glitch, whatever that actually means. I was seriously starting to worry I wouldn't even be able to watch the race.

They definitely have better suspension, it's just more about weight, aquaplaning, and how much water the tires can clear... Advanced suspension when and where, under what conditions? You can't be fast and efficient on dry tracks if you're also great in the wet... you know, suspension is designed around aerodynamics and high speeds... As soon as those factors drop, it might be slower in the rain than some old car... What I'm trying to say is that maybe the weaknesses of those old cars on dry tracks were actually an advantage in the wet compared to today... mass and stuff... I just think there are way too many variables we don't get and can't really judge... but why does MotoGP race under certain conditions while F1 doesn't? I feel like that should be pretty obvious.

Jason Campbell70 said:Back in the day, maybe 20 or 30 years ago, the cars had crappy tires, the aero was way less efficient, and drivers were basically using their right foot on a cable just to control the throttle butterfly. They were shifting gears with basic manual gearboxes and standard clutches, too. Those cars were absolute beasts at the end of the day—just raw machines that demanded everything from a driver physically and mentally. Drivers were rocking these cheap plastic helmets with flimsy visors, and track drainage? I guess that was just some abstract concept they barely thought about back then.

Yeah, I get what you mean. They had worse aerodynamics, relying more on mechanical grip than today’s cars—which are probably even harder to drive. So it makes sense... modern cars lean so heavily on aero that when speeds drop significantly, they lose all that downforce, which kills the grip. And they're lighter, too. As for the tires, it all comes down to the compound, which is mostly about feel. How much water they displace is a whole different story and might depend more on the tread patterns rather than the rubber itself. The main thing is avoiding aquaplaning, but honestly, it's hard to say if things were actually worse back then since it really depends on the specific track. I mean, we can't even tell what kind of drainage a track has just by looking. I agree with the rest, though—driving in the wet was harder, shifting was a pain, and it was just more exhausting... that's just a fact. We're getting into territory where nobody can really be certain, and I guess nowadays they have better data based on how the cars behave. I wouldn't call the drivers spoiled, and I don't think it's just the FIA being unreasonable, because they usually act in unison when deciding to stop a race. It’s not for nothing, and I guess we aren't exactly experts here either.

I mean, honestly, Fernando Alonso deserves to take this season 🙂

Way to go, Schumacher, you absolute legend 😁 Hey, where'd you disappear to, man? haha

Ashley Cook64 said:what a total disaster 😳 right in the middle of the live broadcast, they're just totally screwing over 😳... I mean, they're really doing 😳 😳

Man, you have no idea how nasty things can get sometimes... 😁😁

hollowhawk412 said:Modern F1 cars are basically just low-slung, four-wheeled sleds with massive tires, which honestly makes them incredibly twitchy when they hit even a tiny bit of standing water. I guess that's just how they are now.

When you hit aquaplaning, there’s honestly nothing you can even do about it... just a completely useless drive. The whole thing basically turns into you just trying to dodge tiny little puddles. 🙂

It’s true... people are just delusional. A car with a tiny contact patch basically just slices right through the water, so you don't even have to worry about aquaplaning. You could probably cruise at 120 mph on a straightaway without a single care in the world. Plus, their tracks aren't some giant lake; they actually get to feel how slick things are and show off what they can do. Meanwhile, an F1 car with that massive surface area? It's a different story entirely. 25 milesHonestly, the car just slides straight toward the barrier if it hits a puddle. And let's be real, cruising at 40 mph isn't exactly thrilling. It’s not even about who's better at feeling the grip or handling wet conditions at that speed... they'd probably finish dead last just because they'd actually manage to stay on the track while driving. 12 milesI guess I should probably start by saying this is just my two cents, but honestly? This whole situation is a complete joke. I don't know, maybe I'm just being cynical, but it feels like everything is falling apart. It’s frustrating, really. Just one thing after another. Total nonsense. 😁I mean, look, wet races in F1 only actually get interesting when the drainage is decent. If there’s enough runoff that you aren't just hydroplaning every five seconds because the whole track turned into a damn lake, then maybe—just maybe—you actually get to see who has real talent on a slippery surface. Otherwise, it's just chaos for the sake of chaos.

Do you guys seriously think F1 drivers just suddenly turned incompetent and spoiled the second the drainage fails? Like, maybe some of them would actually be faster and better than they are right now? I mean, look at Fernando Alonso or Sebastian Vettel—they’re the first ones who thrive when conditions get messy, and they’d never whine about a race cancellation for no reason. I don't think their assessment of the track is off, either. If there's standing water on the asphalt, there's standing water. It's just common sense.

neonfox65 said:5 Nico Rosberg German Mercedes-AMG 75
13 Michael Schumacher German Mercedes-AMG 17

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heheh yeah obviously, I'm just messing with you, but still, rain just changes the whole vibe 😁

Another damn engine failure for the Ferrari 😢—honestly, this season is just one disaster after another! It’s such a bummer seeing how much Fernando Alonso dropped off toward the end; he was fighting so hard out there... Mad respect to Lewis Hamilton, though. I lowkey felt like he was going to take the win today, and it actually made me think back to what Jason Campbell70 said about nobody even mentioning him as a favorite... There was definitely a time when he was the guy to beat. As for the pit strategy... man, all this tire stuff and tactical nonsense is super confusing to me. Honestly, instead of calling things "unpredictable," it would be way more interesting to see how the guys handle the tires without DRS... This current setup feels too easy and there’s basically zero actual racing. They really should ditch the DRS and come up with some wings that don't create so much dirty air behind the car, so they could actually close the gap in the corners—even if it meant slower lap times overall.

I’d say maybe it’s finally time for Michael Schumacher to actually step up to the plate... I mean, I guess it’s definitely about time, right?

Heading out on the road early tomorrow morning, so I won't be watching the race live 😢

Maybe that Mercedes-Benz is just a glorified paperweight!

stormybadger8 said:Man, screw Sebastian Vettel. I mean, what would even be the point of this damn forum if we weren't here to just sit around and trkeljanje🤣 🤣 🤣

Trkeljanje is basically our job, and honestly, for me, it’s an honor, a privilege, and a total obligation.😬 🤣

I mean, god forbid everyone actually agreed on things and everything we wrote turned out to be the official results after every race. That would be a bunch of aces.😂

👍

Just so we have this ready in a week:

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Mark Webber
4. someone else (maybe Schumi 😁)
5. Fernando Alonso

I mean, I think this is pretty fair considering how Felipe Massa let Fernando Alonso down...
Massa gave way to Fernando, Webber got outplayed by Sebastian and vice versa, plus those
Sebastian Vettel engine failures—even with his mistakes during the season, the guy deserves the championship

silvercobra68 said:aaaaaaaaaaa

You don't get it at all. Absolutely nothing.

what kind of car he'll be driving next season —I'm not even talking about the car, I'm talking about the personnel, for crying out loud.

Look, I'm trying to explain that I don't see him as this total nutcase you're making him out to be. I've been a fan from day one! I guess the big money and the massive Ferrari name probably pulled him in, but everything else just happened step by step. With his knack for making things actually work and his driving talent, it all turned out to be a huge win.

silvercobra68 said:The absolute worst part is how people imagine it went down; they think Michael Schumacher just woke up one morning and decided, "Who am I kidding, why am I even bothering with Benetton?" He supposedly grabbed Ross Brawn and Brawn's associate under one arm, took them by the hand, and marched straight to Maranello. They picture him knocking on the door and saying, "Open up the gates to the estate, it's me and my crew of experts." As if we could just fix decades of accumulated problems overnight. That’s exactly how people visualize Michael Schumacher leaving for Ferrari.

It’s just not realistic. It's not like Lewis Hamilton woke up one day and declared he needed the best boss, the best driver, the best strategist, the best designer, and a V10 all at once. That simply isn't how things work. But sure, let's pretend Michael Schumacher just woke up and made it happen. Yeah, right.

Of course it wasn't like that. He went after the money and he knew exactly what kind of car he’d be sitting in the following season. But honestly, he made the most of everything, and nobody can deny that... He put himself in that position, and he's the reason why—especially those who hate him—people end up micromanaging things within the team. I mean, no other driver has ever earned that level of trust from their team... but whatever, the whole Schumacher saga is its own thing and probably doesn't belong here...

stormyviper11 said:I can't believe I actually have to get up and defend Schumacher here... Look, at least one of his titles with Ferrari—that 2003 run—was pure driver skill, not just because he was sitting in a rocket ship. And back in 2006, when he was going toe-to-toe with an equally elite driver like Alonso in essentially identical machinery, he only lost the title in the final race; it wasn't some total meltdown. So, there is no way in hell I'm buying into these arguments that try to downplay everything he accomplished over his career. I don't exactly love the guy, and honestly, I'm not losing any sleep seeing little Rosberg slap him around this year, because maybe it'll finally bring the myth surrounding him back down to earth. And that "earth" is still massive, whether you want to admit it or not. Will Alonso or Lewis Hamilton eventually overtake him in the history books? It’s possible; they both have the talent, the class, and the raw potential to pull it off. But right now, looking at the big picture, they aren't ahead of him—even if they might be better drivers today, or perhaps even since the start of their careers. I can't predict the future, and when judging where current drivers stand historically, I'm looking at what they've actually done, not what they might do someday...

With Webber, it’s a slightly different story. Yeah, acting like he’s all muscle and no brains is unfair, especially since he’s been driving pretty composed this year. Calculated? Not really, because in at least two crashes where he was partially to blame, he just got damn lucky that his car wasn't totaled so he could still scavenge points. Did he make mistakes? Of course. Bad starts, losing positions, those crashes I mentioned... He made them, it's just that they didn't hit him quite as hard as they did everyone else. At the end of the day, Webber is a late bloomer who spent his early years in Formula 1 failing to show any real extra class, only to suddenly find it now. He’s among the best this year, but looking at the whole picture—which was the whole point of my comparison to the last four champions—he's still nowhere near them.

As for Nebelmeister, I'll have to force myself to write something about him...

everything will become a legend again once the old man gets tires that actually suit his style 😉 😁it's a thin line