Donna Doyle2 said:Well, nobody here told her she had to be that emotional sponge, and I made sure to emphasize that to her myself!
I was only trying to offer a glimpse into his perspective, because don't you know that once you can actually understand someone, you tend to feel more empathy and less anger, which leaves you feeling so much less bitter?
It feels to me like everyone here has dealt with someone like this before, because why is everyone throwing stones at him? The guy is in the absolute worst kind of mess—his wife left him for someone else—and yet everyone here is just calling him a jerk, selfish, or toxic, assuming he was always this way and that's why she left.
To me, this feels like pure projection and it's not fair at all since we have no idea what the actual situation is like.
The author mentioned that they used to get along beautifully and were really close.
Oh, sure, let's all be sunshine and rainbows when things are going great, but the second something tragic happens and someone needs a little extra time to recover (I mean, hello, his wife left him over the summer—it hasn't even been six months!), we immediately run far away from this "toxic and selfish" person who supposedly doesn't care about anyone but himself.
And yeah, he might not be thinking of anyone else, but isn't it true that when you're completely unable to recover from trauma, you literally cannot think about anything else? He isn't doing it on purpose.
I don't know, I wouldn't want to have friends like that. Life happens to everyone, and we'll all find ourselves in a spot where we just can't go on and we need people to simply exist there for us without judgment.
Back when I went through a breakup with my "soulmate" a long time ago, my best friend would stay up talking to me all night long whenever I needed it—literally until 5 AM! I felt this desperate need to recount every tiny, insignificant detail of that relationship, and who knows how many hours we spent analyzing everything? I would have done the exact same for her. But hey, you choose your friends, you don't choose your family.
I'll say it again: it's too much for the author, and she really needs to distance herself from him. Plus, him being "on his own" isn't a bad thing and it won't stop him from getting better. Recovery just takes time, no matter what people say or do around him, whether they stay close or pull away—time is the only thing that matters for healing.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, my sister was just like that when I had that breakup; she basically shut me down immediately, telling me to get over it, realize it was just an experience, and move on—and if I couldn't, I should see a therapist. Even today, she tells me I obsessed way too much over that guy and the whole situation. And recently, when I was dealing with some heavy stuff at work and feeling pretty overwhelmed while trying to make big decisions, she just told me to deal with it, said I complain every single day, and suggested I just go grab coffee with someone to clear my head because she has her own problems and doesn't want to hear mine. So yeah, I totally agree—you aren't obligated to do anything for your family just because you were born into it.
Don't you think you might be projecting a bit here, especially since you're looking at this from his specific perspective? People sharing their stories on this forum have dealt with manipulation from those closest to them; they generally know exactly what those behavioral patterns look like.
The author mentioned that things used to be different back then—they actually got along and felt a genuine connection.
She also noted that her father’s current behavior has crossed the line into psychological abuse.
It’s all well and good to play nice and act like everything is perfect when life is easy and things are going our way. But if someone goes through a genuine tragedy and needs a little extra time to get back on their feet—for instance, if he was dumped right in the middle of summer, so it hasn't even been six months yet—then you need to run. Get as far away as possible from that kind of toxic, selfish person who only cares about themselves.
If you actually take the time to read this thread, you’ll see that nobody suggested running at the first sign of trouble. What everyone *did* say was that you need to distance yourself from a selfish, toxic individual who only cares about their own interests and couldn't care less about anyone else. People wrote those comments to help the author save herself. Because, if you haven't noticed, it isn't just her father who's struggling—she is doing quite poorly herself, and she needs support.
Look, you can't just tell someone not to dwell on it. By its very definition, being unable to recover from trauma means you're stuck in a loop where nothing else matters. It’s not like they’re doing it on purpose; their brain simply won't let them think about anything else.
Niko wasn't even claiming he did it on purpose. But let’s be real—the author can't fix this herself; she needs a professional to step in.
I don't know; I wouldn't want to have friends like that.
What kind of help? Someone who "helps" by handing you over to a specialist the moment they think you’ve slipped too far into psychosis?
Life has a way of throwing curveballs at everyone. We all hit that breaking point eventually—that moment where you just can't go on, and no amount of outside help can fix things. At that stage, the only thing that actually matters is having people by your side who are simply willing to show up.
I agree, but there’s a limit to how much help one person can provide. If someone is just exploiting your empathy and refusing any other kind of practical support, then you're essentially hitting a wall. You can't save someone from themselves. As for her father, I don't think his current state only started after her mother left. That was certainly the trigger, but based on what the author wrote, I suspect this has been building up for much longer than that.
Back when I went through my first major breakup, a close friend of mine would stay up with me for hours on end. We’d talk until 5:00 AM almost every night for a year straight. I just had this desperate need to dissect every tiny, insignificant detail of that relationship, and honestly, who knows what we actually analyzed during those marathon sessions? I’d do the exact same thing for her today. But at the end of the day, you choose your friends; you don't get to choose your family.
This isn't the same thing, though. Her father has likely been struggling with mental health issues for a long time, and seeing him walk out on her mother has clearly hit her hard. She's reeling from everything that's happened. What she needs most right now is support—and if he can't see that he needs help too, that's on him, not her.
She told me that enough was enough and that I should go grab coffee with someone else to vent, because she has her own burdens to carry and doesn't have the headspace to listen anymore.
Have you considered that your sister might actually be dealing with much heavier stuff than you are, and instead of venting, she's just trying to keep her head above water? To me, her response sounds like she's reached a total breaking point from constant complaining. Of course, I could be wrong—I don't know either of you or the history behind your relationship.