Gerald Bailey88 said:If this wasn't so pathetic, I’d actually be laughing my head off.
Out of everything we've discussed, you're the only one who managed to focus on the most insignificant detail...
Not a single word about the blatant misogyny—how you guys let people post justifications for force rape, acting like "He" was just taking what was rightfully his.
The authors of those disgusting comments are still here, yet the woman who stood up against them got kicked out of the thread. We're complaining because you won't sanction such primitive behavior, while you target and shut down anyone who refuses to tolerate it. Honestly, it says everything about you.
And nothing about how you're accusing me of threatening to break rules—even though I never said anything like that... nothing at all.
By your logic, it's fine when users gang up to provoke anyone with a different opinion, but it's a crime if they make up stuff that didn't even happen in the show.
You want proof? It's all right here in the thread—just try reading it sometime. But apparently, that's too much to ask since ambermason16 openly admits she doesn't read, yet she's allowed to snap back at me like this.
Do you guys honestly think you're infallible?
Just look at the spoilers thread for comparison. The difference is night and day. The atmosphere there is great, the comments are actually constructive. Not a single one of those women is posting on the main thread anymore—and it's easy enough to see they were active before.
It would be about time the moderators started treating members with basic decency, the same way you expect from us—because the way ambermason16 aggressively talks back isn't exactly a role model.
I get it, your job isn't easy. But since you're always telling us to leave the thread, maybe you should take your own advice. If it's too much work, just step down from moderating...
I knew from the start you'd ignore whatever you don't want to see, and that talking to you is a lost cause. Because you simply don't want to listen.
I'm done adding anything else. Go ahead and attack me too, just like you have been—which is exactly why I'm walking away from this thread. Since ambermason16 was so "helpful" in suggesting it.
Look, there was a massive debate about the rape once Force started her stuff and Boran raped her. The whole thread was absolutely flooded with posts; we were having to clear out spam for days straight.
There is no excuse for rape. And if someone spoke up just to draw attention to that fact, I don't think they were necessarily kicked from the thread or the forum. Rape is rape, and there’s really no point in debating that.
Anyway, I remember back when Force was raped and then ended up staying with Boran and forgiving him—it was like a bunch of roses everywhere. It’s basically the standard plotline for most of those American soap operas. And obviously, people get confused; they don't watch enough American dramas to realize that this ISN'T how things work. I even got DMs myself asking why I deleted a post where someone claimed rape was just a normal thing over there because the show made it look okay, so yeah, people say some pretty mindless stuff.
So, I don't think the mods are at fault just because people misinterpret some random American soap opera and jump to the wrong conclusions based on it.
You aren't even saying anything about how you're accusing me of threatening to act just like the people breaking the rules, even though I never actually said that. Not even close.
In your view, it's not against the rules when users team up publicly just to provoke people who disagree with them. And there's zero mention of how they're just making up events that never even happened in the show.
I'm not accusing you of anything, really. You wrote on the thread that since you've concluded that nothing is being done about the "trolling," you're going to keep acting with the same tone as them. Given that attitude, I couldn't really come to any other conclusion.
Teaming up specifically to provoke others is definitely punishable and falls under trolling. And it's not true that nothing is being done. Posts get deleted constantly, people get warnings, and all sorts of stuff happens. Of course, all of that happens behind the scenes, so it's not fair to say nothing is happening when Television, and especially the Soap Factory, are moderated every single day by multiple mods.
If you want proof, just look at the spoilers thread. The difference is night and day. The atmosphere in the spoilers section is great, and the comments are actually constructive. Not a single one of them is posting on the main thread anymore. And it's easy enough to see they used to post there.
The spoilers section is part of Television, which is also moderated by the same people who handle the Soap Factory.
Do you guys honestly think you're infallible or something? I mean, seriously, does anyone actually believe they've got it all figured out without ever being wrong once? It’s kind of wild if you think about it, I guess.
I honestly can't recall a single thread where some moderator actually said something like that. I mean, look, everyone gets it wrong sometimes—it’s just part of being human, I guess. Especially when you're dealing with a massive online community like this one, where there are thousands of people active at any given time, mistakes are pretty much inevitable. Everyone trips up eventually.
Gerald Hill2 said:I don't expect the mods to be psychic Zorka types. If they aren't watching the show, and they get multiple reports about spoilers, they might get the wrong idea.
That happened to me once, and I had to prove my innocence after being banned. Bhea reacted pretty quickly, though. I'm not complaining about her at all.
But, I wonder, if the mods can see—and they can, because I used to moderate zud—if the same people are constantly making false reports, shouldn't that also be a punishable offense?
If someone wants to, they can always find some weird way to twist a post and misuse the system, flagging things as inappropriate (like spoilers, insults, off-topic chatter, or trolling).
That kind of behavior makes people who want to contribute different views from the majority stay away from the thread entirely.
It’s perfectly normal to write something that doesn't align with what others saw, to deny what was shown, or to be critical toward certain groups (like victims of force rape or violence)—basically, to have a different take on what happened. I might have my own opinion on whether a scene was good or bad, but I can't claim to have a different version of what was actually broadcast on the television.
I mean, if someone falls, I might find it funny, or sad, or maybe I won't care at all... all of that is just an opinion or an impression. But saying someone didn't fall when they clearly did isn't an opinion; that’s just missing what happened or straight-up trolling.
If someone is out there doing that on purpose, day in and day out, I mean, obviously that’s a crime, and they’re probably gonna end up paying the price for it eventually.
Look, what you’re talking about happens all the time, honestly, it's pretty common and can definitely go down. If you look at this forum, there are threads for basically every single soap factory series that stays on air, and obviously, the moderators can't possibly sit around watching every single episode of everything... I mean, they just can't keep up with every single show if they want to actually moderate anything effectively, so I guess that's why these kinds of situations pop up. But, since that whole mess happened with your ban—that was clearly an error on our end—we're going to be paying way more attention to the actual reports from now on and we'll make sure to check things out as deeply as we possibly can to see how far we can go with the investigation.
I mean, obviously, it’s not exactly easy when none of the moderators actually bother to watch the shows being discussed, so you end up with people posting spoilers left and right without anyone stepping in to stop them, I guess.
I mean, if someone actually goes looking for it, they can always find some weirdly worded sentence or a tiny little slip-up to twist out of context, you know? It’s like, if you really want to be a jerk, you can just take whatever someone wrote—even if it's totally fine—and claim it's somehow inappropriate, whether you're calling it harassment, an insult, spamming, or just straight-up trolling. I guess people just love finding ways to report others for stuff that isn't even happening.
I mean, honestly, this kind of behavior is exactly why people who actually want to have a real discussion—you know, the ones who don't just parrot whatever the majority is shouting about—end up avoiding these threads altogether. It’s like, if you don't want to get dogpiled just for having a different take, you might as well just stay quiet, I guess. Maybe that's just how it goes now, but it definitely kills any chance of a decent conversation.
Look, I feel like it’s totally fine to have an opinion on whether what you saw was good or bad, but there's a massive difference between having a take and just straight-up lying about reality. It’s one thing to debate the quality of a show, but it’s another thing entirely to deny what actually happened on screen, or worse, to be straight-up abusive toward people—like victims of violence or force rape—just to make a point. You can argue about the ethics or the direction of a scene all you want, but you don't get to just invent a whole different version of what was broadcast on FOX. You can't just twist the facts to fit your narrative when the footage is right there in front of everyone.
I mean, look, if someone takes a nasty spill, I might find it funny, or maybe it’ll make me feel bad, or honestly, I might just not care at all... but all of that falls under the umbrella of having a personal opinion or just reacting to what you saw. But saying that someone didn't actually fall? That isn't an opinion anymore. That’s either you straight-up missed what happened or you’re just being a total troll to provoke people.
Look, you can see for yourself that this whole thing is just incredibly tense, I guess. It's a really heavy subject to dive into, honestly.
The hardest part about hanging out on these forums, I guess, is trying to figure out if someone is actually being serious or if they’re just straight-up trolling. Sometimes I’ll find myself reading the same post two or three times over, just staring at the screen, and even after all that, I still can't decide if the author is genuinely making a point or if they're just trying to start a fight and provoke everyone for the hell of it. It's tough, man.
That’s exactly why the report feature exists, you know? It’s there so you guys can step in and help us out when things get out of hand.
So, look, if I’m acting as a moderator and I stumble upon some post that feels like it's just pure trolling or some kind of intentional provocation—you know, those posts that just feel off—I don't just jump the gun, I guess. I usually go ahead and check my inbox first to see if anyone actually filed an official report. I mean, a second head is probably smarter than one, right? Plus, if someone out there actually felt insulted by what was written, then yeah, maybe there really is something seriously wrong with the post.
Look, obviously, people can totally weaponize reports just to mess with someone or make their life miserable, which is why I guess every single moderator—myself included—takes the time to actually sit there and read through a post a couple of times first, you know? We have to double-check everything to see if the person is actually breaking the rules or if they're just being petty, because otherwise, the whole system just becomes a way for people to target others for no reason.