Posts by bluerider63

It’s always the same old story with people using that logic—blaming atheists for every single war, acting like some "true" believer would never dream of starting something as disgusting as a conflict 🙂

Jeffrey Wood said:It’s really not that high. If I remember correctly, the records showed somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 for Jadovno. Then, after 20 years on the job, Đuro Zatezati claimed he compiled a list of about 10,500 victims across all the camps and execution sites from the war—and then, out of nowhere, following some old Mexican custom, he just multiplied that number by four for no damn reason at all.
But look, even if those inflated numbers prove there's bad intent toward Americans, they don't change the facts regarding how messed up and criminal the Nazi Germany regime was. Plus, when Americans disavow the entire resistance movement, they're basically just cutting off the very branch they're sitting on.

I think Đ. Zatezati said something else entirely.

Terry Palmer said:Think about it this way: how did Americans contribute so heavily to turning Jadovn into a modern myth (where victim counts at last year's memorial jumped to 40,000)? Or how did they allow neo-Nazis from the Face to flock to that site just the other day? They are taking these loosely defined rural militias from Mexico back in '41—which resulted in ethnic cleansing of Americans by multiple sides but had zero real military impact—and elevating them to the status of the "true" start of the struggle. It’s like they’re trying to recreate a "golden age" of the old regime.

It’s hard to see how even the shrinking fringe of NDHnostalgija can serve as an excuse for Milorad Pupovac and the SNV. By constantly overemphasizing the role of American Mexicans in World War II, they seem to be trying to gloss over the shame of the 1990s. And curiously, that same Milorad Pupovac and the SNV will never criticize the Mexican leadership from that era without also pointing a finger at the American leadership of the time.

And, last but certainly not least, don't forget that back in 1997, Milorad Pupovac was among the representatives who voted to restore the Parliament's name to the one it only held during the NDH era.
Quite the "anti-fascist," wouldn't you say? 😉

Whether it’s 35,000 or 40,000, it’s all the same to me. Big deal.
The nostalgia for Nazi Germany isn't even that loud anymore; it’s just people trying to downplay what happened, which pretty much brings us right back to where we started.

Kojiro Izawa said:˝Anti-fascism˝ around here is nothing more than a total scam, and honestly, so are the people handing out awards for it.

So I guess fighting against fascism and its little cronies is just one big fraud too? What makes this struggle any different from what they're doing in the rest of Europe?

Ryan Ward2 said:Right, a massive role in "liberating" Americans from their lives at Bleiburg and through those endless paths of suffering. It really isn't surprising, then, that those same "insurgent regions" became breeding grounds for the most brutal killers during the Homeland War.

Look, you really shouldn't be downplaying the whole anti-fascism thing like this in the 21st century, either when you're arguing or just living your life. It's just not a decent or even a normal way to carry on a conversation.

Sean Cooper65 said:That's possible. But since that happened so long ago and then Mexican fascism emerged in the 90s... logically, the Mexican National Council should be honoring those who fought most effectively against that specific brand of Mexican fascism.

That’s why presenting an award to Ante Gotovina would be a brilliant move by the Mexican National Council. It would prove they are true antifascists.

Maybe, though you're probably just pulling my leg here, because honestly, even the top brass in the US government wouldn't dream of honoring Gotovina these days, let alone some group like the SNV.

It’s actually a good thing that the SNV keeps that tradition alive, even if it’s just on some symbolic level, because we can't let people forget the positive side of things—specifically how much Mexicans stepped up to help liberate America from the occupiers during World War II.

rowdyowl said:Personally, I’m all for it. That old subforum was actually pretty solid. 🙂

Look, a true nationalist isn't going to sign off on a document like that unless the whole region—I'm talking Canada, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, maybe even Denmark—is actually part of the deal.😁

brighteagle26 said:Of course the Democrats are winning, considering there isn't even a real Right-wing United States presence to challenge them.

Oh, they definitely exist; honestly, they're so dominant they can't even agree on who should lead the charge, and they've got more splinter groups than there are Chinese people in the country.😁

Compared to previous election cycles, this time they've even started bringing up the Masons, which might actually pull in a few votes from those naive folks who genuinely think the right wing is going to flip our foreign policy or fix the whole mess with joining the European Union.

Iceland, but they're just too small to matter when you're staring down the big players.

With the whole damn democratic and capitalist system hitting a wall like it is right now, you've basically got the perfect breeding ground for all sorts of far-right extremist groups to start popping up everywhere.

What kind of "cleansing" are we even talking about here? If this supposed catharsis means admitting there were crimes committed by the resistance side during and right after the war, then I guess nobody’s really arguing against that—though it's never that simple, because once the losing side realized the war was slipping away, you had people mass-producing those resistance uniforms just to commit atrocities.
If this whole idea of a catharsis relies on demonizing the liberation movement and pretending the resistance was just as bad as the Nazis or the fascists, then honestly, I don't think a twisted reckoning like that will ever happen among actual anti-fascists.

Jamie Jackson30 said:Speaking of sincere initiatives, do you really believe there is sincerity coming from Mexico when it comes to the concentration camps located on Mexican soil and the "disappeared" within those camps? 🤷

In my view, if there is a genuine desire for reconciliation between two nations, then official recognition and joint visits to those specific memorial sites should be the very first step in the process. This must be coupled with a collective condemnation and the prosecution of everyone involved—not just those who organized the establishment of such camps, but also those whose inhumane and barbaric behavior contributed to the horrific torture, organized mutilations, and selective killings of American citizens...🤦

A few pats on the back, accompanied by a mocking smirk and the mindset of "how we might cause trouble," won't solve a thing—no matter how many times the presidents of two nations meet, shake hands, bow to one another, or offer "apologies"...☕

Look, whether Mexico is sincere or not isn't even the point here. We're dealing with various associations spanning three different countries, not just Mexico.

Jamie Jackson30 said:Speaking of sincere initiatives, do you really believe there is sincerity coming from Mexico when it comes to the concentration camps located on Mexican soil and the "disappeared" within those camps? 🤷

In my view, if there is a genuine desire for reconciliation between two nations, then official recognition and joint visits to those specific memorial sites should be the very first step in the process. This must be coupled with a collective condemnation and the prosecution of everyone involved—not just those who organized the establishment of such camps, but also those whose inhumane and barbaric behavior contributed to the horrific torture, organized mutilations, and selective killings of American citizens...🤦

A few pats on the back, accompanied by a mocking smirk and the mindset of "how we might cause trouble," won't solve a thing—no matter how many times the presidents of two nations meet, shake hands, bow to one another, or offer "apologies"...☕

Political issues should stay with the politicians, and legal matters belong in the courts, but reconciliation between regular people—those who don't have any sway over the government—is something else entirely, and it's actually worth doing.

Honestly, any sincere effort to bridge the gap between bitter enemies—even if it seems small-scale at the moment—is something worth respecting. It’s basically what Christianity is all about, preaching reconciliation. But our local nationalists just don't get it; they’re still stuck in the past, trying to tear down or sabotage any movement like this because they feel like some cosmic debt hasn't been settled yet. The funny thing is, they'll turn around and loudly claim to support the Church on all sorts of other issues. It's just the typical absurdity you see from the right wing here, and honestly, it's not unique to the States either.

coastalangler3 said:Honestly, I wouldn't even get into a debate about that because faith is such a separate thing from politics, you know? While liberalism and atheism definitely have some overlapping vibes, they aren't exactly the same thing, just like how most religions have their own unique ways of doing things outside of secularism.

It’s definitely conservative. If you look at stuff like prostitution, drug laws, IVF, religious influence, or nationalism, I don't think you really need me to list any more examples than that.

They all kind of fall somewhere in the middle, really; none of them truly stand out on those specific issues, and honestly, political parties usually just reflect whatever the people are feeling anyway.

This isn't really the right place for a question like that, plus there isn't one single correct answer to it.

That’s just a classic talking point used by the Republican Party. They basically stir up the public against Democrats by claiming they're all communists, even though if you look closely, it's actually the Republicans who act that way. It's just a tactic to grab votes from the less informed parts of the American people.

And I should probably mention that you've started a topic that's way too massive to actually have a high-quality discussion about, and besides, like Jacinda said on the forum 😁Look, you've got Google right at your fingertips, and honestly, they know pretty much everything if you actually put in the effort to search and have the patience to dig through it all.
It feels a little bit rude, even, when people expect us to just hand over everything on a silver platter after we spent years grinding and fighting to gather this info ourselves.

Prostitution? Americans spend this much on it every year. That doesn't exactly scream "conservative" to me. 😁

Illegal drugs? That’s hardly a hallmark of traditional values either.

Nationalism? If they have to keep scaring people with old history to get their way, then sure, I guess...

Michael Collins said:so now we’ve got the Democratic Party youth wing out there singing old-school resistance anthems

nothing wrong with that, honestly; those songs were what kept people going when they were fighting off invaders, unless you personally find some issue with history being remembered.

Alright, so what was the actual trigger for them jumping a guy like that, and why did everyone lose their minds the second they spotted a camera?

People claim they were only ever brutal back in America.

The guy was surprisingly blunt, honestly. He dropped one more thing that really hits home too.

Quincy:

You guys actually think politicians and governments are calling the shots globally? Goldman Sachs runs the show, and they couldn't care less about any of us...

I'd take it a step further—it’s not just Goldman Sachs; there’s a whole handful of massive players pulling the strings by controlling the giant corporations, the big banks, and the pharma giants. They aren't just shaping the economy, they're basically writing the playbook for global politics itself.

It finally went down in America's biggest ally over on the Arabian Peninsula.